iPad vs. Nexus 7

Jay Honeck said:
Weird. Mine automatically updated to the new version.
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So did mine. I didn't get an app store notice, Garmin Pilot just announced there was an update and started downloading and installing it. Seems to be working quite nicely.
 
LDJones said:
So did mine. I didn't get an app store notice, Garmin Pilot just announced there was an update and started downloading and installing it. Seems to be working quite nicely.
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The update is awesome! I've been playing with the software, and it now does everything I want.

Can't wait to fly with it.

Sent from my Nexus 7
 
Jay Honeck said:
The update is awesome! I've been playing with the software, and it now does everything I want.
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I still want the HSI display and want the nav fields overplayed on approach charts...at least track and GS. Is that asking too much? :)
 
LDJones said:
I still want the HSI display and want the nav fields overplayed on approach charts...at least track and GS. Is that asking too much? :)
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I've had the HSI overlay on other devices, and never used it. So, no, I don't miss that.

I WOULD like the ability to delete some of the fields, though. The Nav Bar across the top of the moving map is awfully cluttered, especially with the font size set to "Old Man". All I really need is Course, Track, Ground Speed, and ETE.

Sent from my Nexus 7
 
$50 a year 4G data plan... yes, I said YEAR.

It's only 250MB a month, but still, if your just checking news and weather, that's enough.
 
These new Kindles have GPS? Access to the full Google market? I'd still go with the Nexus.
 
Funkeruski said:
These new Kindles have GPS? Access to the full Google market? I'd still go with the Nexus.
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I think you can side load anything you like from the google market. They don't have GPS, or bluetooth, so if you wanted GPS for it, you will need to find a wifi solution.
 
It's obvious that Amazon doesn't want to compete in the tablet computing market(yes - I realize that's blatantly stating the obvious). They're competing in the content delivery market. The Kindle Fire is just a color screen content delivery device - not a computing device as far as they're concerned.

I've had a Kindle Fire since March of this year. It's rooted and running Jelly Bean(CM10). It's a nice mate to my HTC Thunderbolt - run same apps on both(except for GPS dependent ones...) and tethers easily. That said, the moment I rooted it, I voided the warranty. When I replaced the OS, I took all support issues on my own shoulders. Those two issues, plus the lack of GPS and Bluetooth means that this approach is not for everyone if you're looking for a computing device.

The original Fire OS was horrible for my purposes. It was designed for an e-reader that would occasionally be used for net access(again - that's Amazon's business plan). Amazon missed their chance with me. I was holding off waiting for this announcement and prob'ly would have bought another Fire if they had added back a real OS, GPS and Bluetooth. As it is, I'll be in Wally World by the weekend to pick up a Nexus 7. It appears to be much closer to what I'm looking for out of the box than the new Fire.

Mafoo said:
I think you can side load anything you like from the google market. They don't have GPS, or bluetooth, so if you wanted GPS for it, you will need to find a wifi solution.
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And the race to the bottom continues...

This is why Apple is so profitable - They don't do cheap crap. I'm glad there's "something" out there for those who shop on price, and currently things are pretty nice. But now someone's going to try to make a $129 tablet, and then a $99 tablet, simply to try to sell a lot of them. You do, in fact, get what you pay for.

This is also why Apple devices tend to last a while. In my 3rd year of owning the 1st-gen iPad, I do want a new one, but not bad enough to figure out whether to buy AT&T (and keep my grandfathered unlimited data plan) or Verizon (and have tethering capability and two-network redundancy for weather, since my phones are on AT&T). I have a >3 year old MacBook Pro that I still use as my primary work machine, and it's doing just fine... And I'm a geek! Doubt there's a whole lot of Windows geeks using a 3+-year-old machine as their primary...
 
flyingcheesehead said:
And the race to the bottom continues...

This is why Apple is so profitable - They don't do cheap crap. I'm glad there's "something" out there for those who shop on price, and currently things are pretty nice. But now someone's going to try to make a $129 tablet, and then a $99 tablet, simply to try to sell a lot of them. You do, in fact, get what you pay for.

This is also why Apple devices tend to last a while. In my 3rd year of owning the 1st-gen iPad, I do want a new one, but not bad enough to figure out whether to buy AT&T (and keep my grandfathered unlimited data plan) or Verizon (and have tethering capability and two-network redundancy for weather, since my phones are on AT&T). I have a >3 year old MacBook Pro that I still use as my primary work machine, and it's doing just fine... And I'm a geek! Doubt there's a whole lot of Windows geeks using a 3+-year-old machine as their primary...
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Amazon captured 22% of the market with the Kendel Fire. It's there #1 selling product on Amazon.

The reason it sells, and the reason it's so cheap, is because they don't make anything off the device. They sell content, and all the Kendel is to them, is a delivery system to allow them to sell more of it.

I think they are doing well. Everyone else however (who is not Google), should just give up.
 
Jay Honeck said:
I've had the HSI overlay on other devices, and never used it. So, no, I don't miss that.

I WOULD like the ability to delete some of the fields, though. The Nav Bar across the top of the moving map is awfully cluttered, especially with the font size set to "Old Man". All I really need is Course, Track, Ground Speed, and ETE.
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Tap that row of fields and you can customize what's displayed.
 
Anybody tried the rubberbanding proceedure on the Garmin Pilot, after the update? I just get a blue screen now, with save or cancel. Can't get to the map. Same with a friends Nexus 7/ Garmin Pilot app.

L.Adamson
 
L.Adamson said:
Anybody tried the rubberbanding proceedure on the Garmin Pilot, after the update? I just get a blue screen now, with save or cancel. Can't get to the map. Same with a friends Nexus 7/ Garmin Pilot app.

L.Adamson
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Yeah, that feature seems to be FUBAR'd. Expect another update soon.
 
Jay Honeck said:
Yeah, that feature seems to be FUBAR'd. Expect another update soon.
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It's because the N7 is a beta tablet. Wait until the second or third one if you want it to work right.

(Just parroting what Jay would say if it had a fruit on it)
 
L.Adamson said:
Anybody tried the rubberbanding proceedure on the Garmin Pilot, after the update? I just get a blue screen now, with save or cancel. Can't get to the map. Same with a friends Nexus 7/ Garmin Pilot app.

L.Adamson
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Yep, broken. Still works on 10" Asus.
 
Mafoo said:
It's because the N7 is a beta tablet. Wait until the second or third one if you want it to work right.

(Just parroting what Jay would say if it had a fruit on it)
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No, that only applies when it's the OS that is FUBAR.

Sent from my Nexus 7
 
flyingcheesehead said:
And the race to the bottom continues...

This is why Apple is so profitable - They don't do cheap crap. .
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I love my iMac On the road it seeks the Wifi hot spots and I can still eves drop on you guys, :)

Tonight we come to you thanks to Wifi at Benbow camp grounds on Route 101 200 miles north of San Fran.
 
Tom-D said:
I love my iMac On the road it seeks the Wifi hot spots and I can still eves drop on you guys, :)

Tonight we come to you thanks to Wifi at Benbow camp grounds on Route 101 200 miles north of San Fran.
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Um, how does that differ from any other modern computing device?

Sent from my Nexus 7
 
Jay Honeck said:
That's a heckuva screen, but I was referring to its WiFi capabilities.

Sent from my Nexus 7
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Mu old Win doz had many wires and antenna to get it done.

this one blink. it's connected.
 
Flew today with the newly updated Garmin Pilot software on the Nexus 7, and can happily report that it's now completely functional. No more toggling between Nav and Map screens -- all pertinent flight data is now overlaid on the N7's 7" screen over the moving chart of choice (Sectional, WAC, etc.)

I forgot to try "rubberbanding " the flight plan, but that feature was non-functional after the last update.

Now, I want "track up" on the charts instead of "North up". Much wants more. Lol

Sent from my Nexus 7
 
After a night flight with the Nexus I will also suggest Garmin add some additional dimming within the app. Even with the Nexus at its lowest setting it was too bright. ForeFlight on my iPad was dimmable to the perfect intensity level via the app setting after setting the iPad to its lowest setting. May have to cut a grey neutral density light gel for in the meantime.
 
LDJones said:
After a night flight with the Nexus I will also suggest Garmin add some additional dimming within the app. Even with the Nexus at its lowest setting it was too bright. ForeFlight on my iPad was dimmable to the perfect intensity level via the app setting after setting the iPad to its lowest setting. May have to cut a grey neutral density light gel for in the meantime.
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Interesting. I'm really surprised by that, since the brightness seems to be adjustable all the way down to zero. I'll have to check that out.

It makes you appreciate how difficult it is to get this stuff right, when a big company like Garmin has to keep making adjustments like these. Of course, I don't get the feeling Garmin has joined the tablet fray of their own free will.

Sent from my Nexus 7
 
LDJones said:
After a night flight with the Nexus I will also suggest Garmin add some additional dimming within the app. Even with the Nexus at its lowest setting it was too bright. ForeFlight on my iPad was dimmable to the perfect intensity level via the app setting after setting the iPad to its lowest setting. May have to cut a grey neutral density light gel for in the meantime.
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There are also a fair number of apps that can handle that until Garmin does. I seem to remember 'ScreenDim' and 'Screen Filter' but I haven't tested either of them with Garmin Pilot yet.
 
Tom-D said:
Tonight we come to you thanks to Wifi at Benbow camp grounds on Route 101 200 miles north of San Fran.
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I've driven by that place a few times, but not recently. Hope you're having a good trip.

Now, back to the original discussion. My son has a Nexus 7 and I'm going to have to break down and load some software on it and give it a try. Free trials that don't require buying hardware are great. :D
 
Ghery said:
Now, back to the original discussion. My son has a Nexus 7 and I'm going to have to break down and load some software on it and give it a try. Free trials that don't require buying hardware are great. :D
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Warning: I've demo'd mine for several people who have then had to run out to pick one up. Very compelling little device for the price.
 
chartbundle said:
There are also a fair number of apps that can handle that until Garmin does. I seem to remember 'ScreenDim' and 'Screen Filter' but I haven't tested either of them with Garmin Pilot yet.
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Thanks for the tip. Screen filter app works well!
 
Can we get some screen shots of the two? (Nex7 vs. Ipad3)

Actual screen shots in use for aviation, not pictures of the units themselves for those smarty pants....
 
Jay Honeck said:
Flew today with the newly updated Garmin Pilot software on the Nexus 7, and can happily report that it's now completely functional. No more toggling between Nav and Map screens -- all pertinent flight data is now overlaid on the N7's 7" screen over the moving chart of choice (Sectional, WAC, etc.)

I forgot to try "rubberbanding " the flight plan, but that feature was non-functional after the last update.

Now, I want "track up" on the charts instead of "North up". Much wants more. Lol

Sent from my Nexus 7
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LDJones said:
Warning: I've demo'd mine for several people who have then had to run out to pick one up. Very compelling little device for the price.
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Jay Honeck said:
Same here! Lol

Sent from my Nexus 7
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OK. I downloaded Garmin Pilot onto my son's Nexus 7. Played with it for about 1/2 hour. D@mn you! Now I've got to get one for myself. Yes, you warned me. :D Way cool. BTW, rubber banding was accomplished by a long touch where I wanted the new bend in the route to me. It gave me options of where I touched or an actual waypoint. I selected the waypoint (it was in the flight plan, but didn't get graphed) and it also then moved another segment to properly reflect the waypoint in it, as well. The blue screen, OTOH, is still there. Next update?
 
Ghery said:
OK. I downloaded Garmin Pilot onto my son's Nexus 7. Played with it for about 1/2 hour. D@mn you! Now I've got to get one for myself. Yes, you warned me. :D Way cool. BTW, rubber banding was accomplished by a long touch where I wanted the new bend in the route to me. It gave me options of where I touched or an actual waypoint. I selected the waypoint (it was in the flight plan, but didn't get graphed) and it also then moved another segment to properly reflect the waypoint in it, as well. The blue screen, OTOH, is still there. Next update?
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Dunno. I'm sure they're working on it. Glad you like the N7!

It's funny -- I just picked up the Samsung Galaxy S3 phone last night -- the most technologically advanced phone on Earth. Between it, and the Nexus 7, I have capabilities that exceed any current Apple product, at better prices. Yet, strangely the tech news is full of Core-heads doing back flips over the about-to-be-released iPhone (which reportedly will not have features matching the S3) and a "new" 7" since iPad -- which is basically going to be an Apple Nexus 7. WTF? :confused:

Sent from my Nexus 7
 
Jay Honeck said:
I have capabilities that exceed any current Apple product, at better prices. Yet, strangely the tech news is full of Core-heads doing back flips over the about-to-be-released iPhone (which reportedly will not have features matching the S3) and a "new" 7" since iPad -- which is basically going to be an Apple Nexus 7. WTF? :confused:
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I guess you just have to accept the fact that some people might have different needs then you, and thus chose different products to fulfill those needs.

:dunno:
 
Jhernandez04 said:
Can we get some screen shots of the two? (Nex7 vs. Ipad3)

Actual screen shots in use for aviation, not pictures of the units themselves for those smarty pants....
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I'm working on posting some Nexus 7 screenshots on my blog located at my website (www.mnaviationpro.com). Just need to get them uploaded.
 
Mafoo said:
I guess you just have to accept the fact that some people might have different needs then you, and thus chose different products to fulfill those needs.

:dunno:
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Exactly. The Nexus 7 being wifi only is a complete deal breaker to me. The 3G service on my iPad is extremely useful in my aviating.
 
jesse said:
Exactly. The Nexus 7 being wifi only is a complete deal breaker to me. The 3G service on my iPad is extremely useful in my aviating.
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Agreed. Case in point, I not only filed IFR out of OSH from my tent, but did the slot reservation required also. On Verizon 4G from the iPad.

I had people coming up to me the entire time I was there asking "How did you get the (broken North 40) WiFi to work?"

Speedtest.net showed 30Gb/sec download speeds at OSH on VZ 4G and over 2Mb/s up.

This is a tool I will gladly pay for on an ongoing basis. The five device free hotspot off of the iPad 3 is a built-in bonus on VZ, too.

Having uploaded our entire MP3 collection to iTunes Match means that if the iPad is staying, so is the phone.
 
Mafoo said:
I guess you just have to accept the fact that some people might have different needs then you, and thus chose different products to fulfill those needs.

:dunno:
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That only makes sense if the products actually did different things. They don't.

Sent from my Nexus 7
 
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