Ipad mini yoke mount

[Let'sgoflying!]

Is there a yoke mount that:
-will fit all minis (with, or without an Otterbox or other protector)
-will fit many aircraft (starting with a PA-28)

Search terms I used did not find anything newer than 5yrs old

 

[midlifeflyer]

Easy answer for me. I bought the cradle only a few years ago (it's RAM compatible and I have plenty of clamps, suction cups and arms of various lengths). I'm using it with a Mini with a thick case that includes a pencil holder. Otterbox shold be a non-issue. (It's also available direct from the company and through Sportys).

Fit many aircraft? Well, in a Diamond or Cirrus and most light sports, I have to use a suction mount rather than a yoke clamp, but aside from that, are Cessnas, Pipers, Mooneys, and Bonanzas many enough ?

https://www.amazon.com/ARKON-Robust-Tablet-Security-Retail/dp/B07V6S557M

 

[GeorgeC]

Search terms I used did not find anything newer than 5yrs old

Nothing has changed in five years. ram xgrip and done.

 

[Chris Mixon]

I have a RAM mount that's specific for my generation of the iPad Mini, the 5th gen, and a Yolk clamp. I just pop it in and out of the cheap case I got from Amazon. Since I also buy refurbished iPads, it's not a big deal. What I would love to find is a better mount for my Sentry. The RAM suction cup just does not do the job.

 

[midlifeflyer]

Nothing has changed in five years. ram xgrip and done.

I love the X-Grip and would continue to use it except that big case compatibility for the X-Grip depends on the case and my case doesn't fit if I want to use the Pencil.

 

[Let'sgoflying!]

It turns out to be an ipad mini 5

midlife's Arkon looks really good

I *think* the Ram version discussed is this one? below

Any comments on comparing these two?

RAM® Tab-Tite™ Yoke Clamp Mount for 8" Tablets with Case

This ideal airplane yoke mount includes a spring-loaded holder that secures most 8" tablets with a case, and consists of a yoke clamp base, B size medium length double socket arm and round 2.5" base that contains the universal AMPs hole pattern to attach the holder. The yoke clamp base will fit...

rammount.com

 

[Hang 4]

I have the Ram that fits the iPad without any external case. I got a neoprene case on Amazon that the iPad goes into as soon as it comes out of the mount. That has worked for me for over 6 years and 2 iPads in a PA28.

 

[Jim K]

I like the ram x-grip. Much less bulky than the tabtite, which is what I use in the tractors where space isn't an issue.

RAM® X-Grip® Universal Holder for 7"-8" Tablets with Ball - B Size

The RAM-HOL-UN8B consists of a spring loaded cradle and 1" rubber ball connected to the back of the base. Included are extra easy access grip knobs, located on the back of the cradle for quick release of your tablet. The RAM-HOL-UN8B expands and contracts for perfect fit of most 7"-8" tablets...

rammount.com

 

[flyingcheesehead]

It turns out to be an ipad mini 5

midlife's Arkon looks really good

I *think* the Ram version discussed is this one? below

Any comments on comparing these two?

RAM® Tab-Tite™ Yoke Clamp Mount for 8" Tablets with Case

This ideal airplane yoke mount includes a spring-loaded holder that secures most 8" tablets with a case, and consists of a yoke clamp base, B size medium length double socket arm and round 2.5" base that contains the universal AMPs hole pattern to attach the holder. The yoke clamp base will fit...

rammount.com

I've been using their EZ Roller mounts for well over a decade and like them. In your case, you'd want this one:

RAM® EZ-Roll'r™ Cradle for Apple iPad mini 4 & 5

The RAM® EZ-Roll’r cradle for the Apple iPad mini 4 & 5 is the most cost effective and simple way to secure the iPad mini 4 in a variety of applications. The RAM-HOL-AP20U consists of a high strength composite cradle and patent pending roller design. The patent pending roller design allows for...

rammount.com

You do need to add the appropriate hardware to mount it to a yoke, window, or wherever you're attaching it to the plane.

 

[midlifeflyer]

I've been using their EZ Roller mounts for well over a decade and like them. In your case, you'd want this one:

How many EZ Rollers have you used? I had one for my first iPad. When I bought my second, it didn’t fit and I gave up on them in favor of ones that lasted more than one generation.

But aside from that, the OP mentioned with a case. Yeah, you can always take it out, but I haven’t bothered since that second iPad.

 

[schmookeeg]

How many EZ Rollers have you used? I had one for my first iPad. When I bought my second, it didn’t fit and I gave up on them in favor of ones that lasted more than one generation.

But aside from that, the OP mentioned with a case. Yeah, you can always take it out, but I haven’t bothered since that second iPad.

yeah the EZ-roller ipad mini 1-2-3 vs 4-5 vs 6-7 compatibility thing was pretty annoying. But I can't be too mad at spending the $28 to snugly hold the $700 device I seem to upgrade every generation too

 

[Clip4]

Is there a yoke mount that:
-will fit all minis (with, or without an Otterbox or other protector)
-will fit many aircraft (starting with a PA-28)

Search terms I used did not find anything newer than 5yrs old

I highly discourage people from putting IPADs on control wheels because they change the balance of the control wheel. This is especially observable when hand flying IFR.

An IPAD mini weight 10.3 ounces. Many of the mounts weigh more than 16 ounces. Then add a protective case on the IPAD resulting in 2 pounds added to the control wheel times plus the moment from any arm that results from the installation.

 

[Chris Mixon]

I highly discourage people from putting IPADs on control wheels because they change the balance of the control wheel. This is especially observable when hand flying IFR.

An IPAD mini weight 10.3 ounces. Many of the mounts weigh more than 16 ounces. Then add a protective case on the IPAD resulting in 2 pounds added to the control wheel times plus the moment from any arm that results from the installation.

Interesting...I have not found any problem at all after multiple years of use in my Commander 114. I still fly with two fingers for the most part when hand flying. Folks in our group have also upgraded to using a Cygnet Yolk rather than the stock Yolk and they are much heavier. I did not use a yolk mount in 172s or 182s, so no info there, perhaps its more noticeable with very light roll or pitch forces?

 

[schmookeeg]

I highly discourage people from putting IPADs on control wheels because they change the balance of the control wheel. This is especially observable when hand flying IFR.

An IPAD mini weight 10.3 ounces. Many of the mounts weigh more than 16 ounces. Then add a protective case on the IPAD resulting in 2 pounds added to the control wheel times plus the moment from any arm that results from the installation.

I had never heard this admonition before, and you sent me down a rabbit hole looking for yoke force certification limits.

FAR 23.397 suggests the max force (in roll, which I think is the concern here) on a control wheel is 50 in-lbs x the diameter in inches.

I have no idea how my control wheel diameter is measures so I will call it a foot. Others can do the math for their plane's yoke

I don't mount my ipad on the yoke itself anyway, so I dunno why I found this so fascinating, but today I learned.

 

[midlifeflyer]

I highly discourage people from putting IPADs on control wheels because they change the balance of the control wheel. This is especially observable when hand flying IFR.

An IPAD mini weight 10.3 ounces. Many of the mounts weigh more than 16 ounces. Then add a protective case on the IPAD resulting in 2 pounds added to the control wheel times plus the moment from any arm that results from the installation.

Interesting observation. Over the course of 14 years in multiple types of single-engine airplanes, I have never encountered that issue.

 

[455 Bravo Uniform]

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Post in thread 'Ipad on Cessna 182'

Oct 23, 2024

I’m interested in the yoke balance issue, if you could explain, please?

Weight x Arm and mass x velocity. The combination with an IPad on a yoke IFR is not a good combo and when I teach instrument students who think this is a great idea they rapidly see the difference in their performance when the IPad is removed.

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[Clip4]

Interesting observation. Over the course of 14 years in multiple types of single-engine airplanes, I have never encountered that issue.

Over the course of instructing instrument since IPAD yoke mounts, my observation is pilot performance improves when an IPAD mounted on the yoke is removed. The IPAD and mount change both the balance and the mass of the control wheel.

 

[AV8R_87]

Buy a cheap case, run a couple reusable zip ties through it, zip tie it to the yoke.
Too crude?

 

[flyingcheesehead]

How many EZ Rollers have you used? I had one for my first iPad. When I bought my second, it didn’t fit and I gave up on them in favor of ones that lasted more than one generation.

I think I've had four for 6-7 iPads. It's not RAM's fault Apple keeps changing the size of their cases...

yeah the EZ-roller ipad mini 1-2-3 vs 4-5 vs 6-7 compatibility thing was pretty annoying. But I can't be too mad at spending the $28 to snugly hold the $700 device I seem to upgrade every generation too

...And they're pretty cheap, since the rest of the mount is still reusable, so it doesn't bug me too much.

I highly discourage people from putting IPADs on control wheels because they change the balance of the control wheel. This is especially observable when hand flying IFR.

An IPAD mini weight 10.3 ounces. Many of the mounts weigh more than 16 ounces. Then add a protective case on the IPAD resulting in 2 pounds added to the control wheel times plus the moment from any arm that results from the installation.

I have not found it to materially affect the control performance of anything I've yoke mounted it to, which is everything I've flown that doesn't have a stick.

Plus, in my plane, where the iPad ends up on a yoke mount is about the best possible location for it. There's "stuff" everywhere on the panel, and practically anything that isn't panel is window. So I need it relatively low, but not so far away that I can't see it, nor so inconvenient that it's inaccessible when I need it. So, there really isn't a better option.

Finally, the FAA specifically allows yoke mounts, even in commercial operations in part 23 aircraft, if they meet the other requirements that all yoke mounts need to meet in those operations.

Buy a cheap case, run a couple reusable zip ties through it, zip tie it to the yoke.
Too crude?

Yes.

FWIW, the FAA's guidance from AC 20-173, Installation of Electronic Flight Bag Components, is good for everyone to follow. Essentially, yoke mounts and other EFB mounts need to do the following things:

* Not interfere with flight crew egress or external vision
* Not obstruct visual or physical access to aircraft controls and displays.
* Not compromise the intended function of any other installed equipment
* Allow flight crew to complete any task in operating the airplane without interference
* Put the display in a position to be easily viewed and operated

 

[midlifeflyer]

It's not RAM's fault Apple keeps changing the size of their cases...

No, it’s not RAM’s fault. But if I can get one that does the job with multiple generations or multiple sizes within a generation, I’m choosing it instead.

 

[Jim K]

I was in the plane today and thought to take some pictures of my setup. This works in both the cessna and Pipers. Keeps the weight pretty well centered on the yoke, and out of the way of any instruments or windows.



I use a pretty slim case (this is a 6), but there's room for a bigger one.

 

[Chris Mixon]

I was in the plane today and thought to take some pictures of my setup. This works in both the cessna and Pipers. Keeps the weight pretty well centered on the yoke, and out of the way of any instruments or windows.

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I use a pretty slim case (this is a 6), but there's room for a bigger one.

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That's how mine is set up. Only difference is that I mounted the clamp under the yolk so that the clamp was out of the way.

 

[FlyingEagle]

I recommend checking this - it works with my otterbox case without any issues https://flightprousa.com/products/p...general-aviation-avionics-and-tablet-mounting

 

[midlifeflyer]

That's how mine is set up. Only difference is that I mounted the clamp under the yolk so that the clamp was out of the way.

I make so many typos myself, but I can't help it. Isn't all that yellow stuff from the egg a bit messy?

 

[ateamer]

I highly discourage people from putting IPADs on control wheels because they change the balance of the control wheel. This is especially observable when hand flying IFR.

An IPAD mini weight 10.3 ounces. Many of the mounts weigh more than 16 ounces. Then add a protective case on the IPAD resulting in 2 pounds added to the control wheel times plus the moment from any arm that results from the installation.

I’ve been using a yoke-mounted device (Garmin 195 brick, subsequently iPad - full-size and Mini) for over 20 years and have never felt any problem in control feel, including hand-flying IFR and in maneuvers like 60-degree banked turns rolling immediately from one side to the other as soon as the bank angle is hit, as well as chandelles, lazy eights and crazy eights.