Interesting RNAV Approaches?

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  1. sarangan

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    Back in the day there were several VOR and NDB approaches with oddities that were interesting to try in a sim just for the challenge. I am wondering are there any interesting RNAV approaches that can make life more interesting in a sim.
     
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    The OP won't be able to try that one in the "sim."
     
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    Don't know what's your idea of an "interesting" approach but I find RNAV(GPS) Rwy 10 at KUDD interesting just because of scenery and you can certainly try it in your sim.
     
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    Either RNAV RNP Z’s at CRW Look like they’d be fun to fly. Maybe I’ll request it next time.....

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    It's not exactly Aspen, but I rather enjoyed planning, briefing, and flying the RNAV (GPS) Z RWY 19 into Jackson Hole. I arrived at DNW on the airway at the MEA of 14,000 feet and, knowing that the descent gradient was about double what I normally plan on, I began reducing power much earlier in the approach than I normally do, but still ended up throwing all the drag out prior to the FAF and coming in a bit hot anyway. Had I not prepared for it, I probably would have gone sailing over the airport at about 4000 AGL. :rofl:

    From DNW, the approach is 24.3 miles. Normally, losing that much altitude takes me around 45 miles.
     
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    Those say "authorization required." Do you have RNP authorization?
     
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    Dont worry. Without authorization it's not even in his database.
     
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    Nope. Do you need authorization to fly it in the sim, just for fun, as the OP asked?
     
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    yep. took one for asking that exact same question.
     
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    It wouldn't be in the simulator's database, either, unless it simulates an RNP AR operation.
     
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    That's a wacky one especially if arriving from over MORON.
     
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    That approach meets criteria. I suppose they could have done a better job by adding feeder fixes on V298 and V330.
     
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    When you talked about requesting it, I mistakenly assumed that you were talking about doing it in an airplane.
     
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    Yeah. I was joking. Forgot the smiley face that lets the internet know it was a joke.
     
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    Interesting. I think I'll check the database in my club's AATD the next time I use it.
     
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    As a starter does your club's AATD have the KCRQ RNAV X Runway 24? If it has that, then does it have the RNAV Z Runway 24?
     
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    I bet it will not be in your club’s AATD, only selected airlines can fly given RNP approaches.


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    I think it uses whatever database a G1000 uses, but the last update was installed when the SFO class B redesign went into effect, which was last August 16th. That means that it won't have the Rwy 23 approach, because that one has an original-issue date in January of 2019. I don't see an original-issue date on the Rwy 5 approach, but if it's not in the database, then I will check for the RNP approach at Monterey, because that one has been in existence since 2015 at the latest.


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    I'll check.
     
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    Some business aviation is RNP AR qualified.
     
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    A "generic" G1000 database certainly doesn't have RNP approaches, I have one home for my Garmin G1000 Pc Trainer and it isn't there.
     
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    Yeah, it's more the fact that the Mooney is very slick and doesn't like to go down that fast without accelerating. I normally plan 6 miles per 1000 feet in no-wind conditions, that puts me right about at Vno until I back it off to 14" MAP (which is where the gear horn goes off).

    I also normally begin pulling power 20 miles from landing... In this case, I started my power reductions when I started the descent at DNW, and actually used my speed brakes. I normally try not to use those, because what's the point of an efficient airplane if you use the speed brakes every time? I prefer to keep them as an extra tool in my back pocket. They sure were handy this time though.
     
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    In order to get a database with RNP AR approaches, you at least have to have a training program in place toward getting your RNP AR approval with the FAA.
     
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    Unfortunately the RNP approaches do not appear to be in the GNS 430 in the Xplane Simulator.
     
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    I can’t imagine that they would.
     
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    There are a couple of non-authorization-required RNP approaches out there, that the GNS 650/750 can handle (irl). KCRQ RNAV X 24 for example, already mentioned. I think PAKT might be the other. I don't know of any desktop simulation avionics that offer this capability though. Maybe RealityXP.
     
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    Nor does it have the non-RNP AR RF leg approaches at RNO and CRQ that the GTN-750 has.
     
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    KCRQ RNAV X Runway 24, KRNO ILS 16R, and one of the ILS approaches at Ketchetan (sp?) Alaska.
     
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