Install an Airgizmos mount or just velcro a case to the panel?

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  1. k9medic

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    I'm pulling a bunch of stuff in the next few months. This will leave me with panel space where I thought about putting an ipad mini.

    Is there any real benefit of installing an airgizmo mount versus just velcroing (or screwing) a otter box case to the panel?

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    If you have room, mount it flat to the panel. I don't have enough room and I want to move the iPad to other planes so I use a window suction cup mount I got off of Amazon.
     
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    I do have enough room.
     
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    Long time iPad user. In the bouncy soup I prefer garmin portables, as little as I like giving Garmin money.

    I’ve found the best mounts to use tend to be RAM mounts - fully adjustable anyway you want. Are you a glare shield person? Instrument panel hole person? Between the rails? Or yoke? No matter what, RAM has a mount for you, and at a price far less than airgizmo.

    I tend to use otter box covers on iPads, and Ram has mounts for those as well. I think they’re called ezrollr. Moreover, if the iPad you have doesn’t have one by ram, other vendors make them as well - slipgrip comes to mind.


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    My Ipad normally sits on the floor. I use my iphone on a suction cup for most things. I just happen to be freeing up a big chunk of panel space so I figured it was easy to put something in that space.
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    Ditto for ram mount

    FWIW I use an I pad pro 9.6. I have a ram mount with a suction mount to window. Love F Flight.

    But - if you’re spending to update the panel, you could do a permanent mount of the new Garmin portable. Sunlight readable - more than an IPad. Don’t worry about battery life, etc.
     
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    I modified an AirGizmo Panel mount and angle adapter for a Garmin 760.
     

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    The biggest advantage of a panel mount (in my opinion) is getting it out of the sun. If I were to install a panel mount, I would also want active cooling built in.

    But my experiences with my iPad over heating has taught that portables, while expensive,are worth it.
     
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    I've got an iFly 740 that I mount to the panel directly with that heavy-duty white Velcro.

    (Of course, my plane is Experimental and the wings are held on with bungee cords and tie wraps. :))

    Great stuff, and it probably offers a little shock absorption from vibration.
     
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    67565041-D0DD-4878-ADA0-8EEDFEA90FBC.jpeg B8D7F825-23D8-4222-8CBB-8DFE1DCB0E2A.jpeg 67565041-D0DD-4878-ADA0-8EEDFEA90FBC.jpeg I’ve tried a myriad of mounts in the nine years of flown with a iPad and have not been able to beat a cheap, soft rubber case that the iPad slips into. It stays firmly on my lap. It’s worked great for me and might work for you too. It would be a very cheap experiment before giving RAM and who knows who else a bunch of money for experiments.

    The soft case I’m talking about is sold primarily for child use, so that might help when googling for one.
     
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    Another point to consider is where you want your eyes to go to look at it. For me eye level just to my left is the best. I tied my lap but looking down and then back up was tiring and a little disorienting. Had a knee board for a paper nav log that I tried as well. Stopped using that completely.
     
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    I like the Airgizmo option. Here's my 696 (on the right) I also have their "angle adapter" in this pic it is flush.
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    Nice!

    I have zero interest or need to put my ipad on my knee or to suction cup it to a window (I would rather have the view outside unobstructed.)
     
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    You should not be fixated on your iPad REGARDLESS of where it’s located. It’s for reference and information lookup, not for primary flight instruments.
     
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    One of the biggest disadvantages of a built in ipad is that (for me anyway), I change ipads more often than I change panels. When Foreflight came out, a friend had a custom panel mount for his Ipad. A few years later he got a new Ipad. Of course though, it didn't fit his custom panel mount.
     
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    Yes, over the years I’ve seen panels chopped up for permanent installations of 396’s, Pilots and other now obsolete and outdated units. The mess left behind looks to be a challenge to move forward with.
     
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    Good point. Maybe then a standard ball joint mounted so you can change your mounts for whatever new I pad or Garmin what not you get. Yeah - hacked up panels are not good looking. There is a permanent mounted Garmin thing that resembles an old PlayStation controller. Looks odd, no one uses it, takes up panel space, and it will cost money to remove.
     
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    True. But looking down to get a look is still distracting vs a quick sideways glance. Easier to keep my eyes on the road. Same reason maybe they have Heads Up Displays.
     
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    Good argument in favor of velcro if you have the panel space.
     
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    Unless you’re in the clouds looking at a plate, the lap is no big deal for the quick FF glances. Would you be hanging your paper plates on the panel? Do you put your knee board on the panel?

    I agree that the plate should be studied before hand, but not everyone has total recall.
     
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    I’ve had bad experiences with Velcro mounting tape that goos out and makes a sticky mess in heat - a cockpit on a summer day could take its toll.
     
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    I fly VFR - so the f flight is used for navigation, traffic, weather, etc.
     
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    So then the lap should not be a problem. When on instruments, things like dropping a pencil and bending over to pick it up can cause vertigo type problems. VFR that’s not a risk.
     
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    Lap works for you. Keep doing it - use what’s good for you. If it works for the OP - excellent.

    Me? Lap doesn’t work. Easier for me to glance sideways. I have a barely used nice knee board from Sportys collecting dust. Thought it would work for me - didn’t

    No rght or wrong answer. Just offering a POV for the OP to think about when making a choice on where to put the tablet.
     
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    I essentially have the same issue. I have panel space for the iPad, which would be best utilized for an Adsb traffic display. However, when flying IFR, I would need to be able to pull it off to study the approach plates enroute and to have it in my lap when flying the approach. So for me, I am thinking of Velcro, maybe angled from the copilot panel facing me in the pilot seat. I do worry about the adhesive marring my panel face when it gets tired, but if the adhesive can be removed without issue, I’d be good with that. I have a ram mount that had been used to hold my Iphone, but I’ve been a bit unhappy that it loses its suction at inopportune times, and all too frequently.
     
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    This is the totality of all that is needed for a sturdy rock solid Mount of anything portable, made by RAM.

    The 1” ball.

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    Some people window mount.

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    Others yoke mount.

    I like the sturdy bolt on a place in the panel that will give me a solid hold.

    There are all sorts of lengths of arms...and mounts for every product - such as the Garmin gpsmaps and aeras...

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    Ram mount for the sturdiness, flexibility, variety and durability.


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    That’s all wonderful. I’m curious though. Do you use a knee board, scratchpad on FF, or do you have good enough recall to read back your clearance from memory and remember all your frequencies without writing it down?
     
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    My general philosophy is that if you don't get an appreciable benefit from hard-wiring the device to something then it belongs on the panel, not in the panel.
     
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    I have a small A5 sized note book with all my notes - each page has notes for the specific airplane I’m renting. Each airport has its own page. I Insert a black page to write notes.
    Looking at printed pages and my notes on a small notebook. Not a problem. Trying to look at an I pad on my lap - doesn’t work. Why? I have no idea.
     
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    I use my "palm pilot" AKA, I write things down on the back of my hand with a pen.
     
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    Old School +1.

    While I can easily call up all airport info through ADS-B "in" on a couple of devices, I just like to have a paper & pencil cheat sheet on the knee board with particulars like frequencies, TPA, a little sketch of runway/traffic pattern, etc.
     
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    Each to their own but I prefer a Mini on the yoke Ram mount.
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    On the knee is too much heads down time, and I would think off to the side wouldn’t be a lot better, but again, each to their own.

    And no, I don’t take notes on it. With practice it might work but I use my own paper creation in Word customized for me and sized to fit a kneeboard. Common freqs and airport info, times, including tank changes, etc.
     
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    Stick a RAM ball on the panel with 3M VHB tape.
     
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    Yoke mounted ipad works best for me. I don't think I would have very good luck with a touch screen ipad or tablet mounted on the panel in turbulence.
     
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