djm181
Filing Flight Plan
Is it still legal to file ifr with a GTN 750 with an expired database if you file and fly /U? That would mean sticking to airways and using the nav receiver instead of the GPS too.
Is it still legal to file ifr with a GTN 750 with an expired database if you file and fly /U? That would mean sticking to airways and using the nav receiver instead of the GPS too.
I believe you can file /G as long as you verify any procedures you might use have not changed.
I have also heard that you may request gps direct with vectors legally in this instance.Is it still legal to file ifr with a GTN 750 with an expired database if you file and fly /U? That would mean sticking to airways and using the nav receiver instead of the GPS too.
That's generally true for most GPS IFR navigators but the POH supplement for the specific GPS is the final reference. In any case there's no need to file /U as long as the GPS is working. AFaIK, with all of them you are legal to use it for enroute and terminal (i.e. non-approach lateral guidance) as long as you verify that the location of any fix used hasn't changed. For approaches the supplements generally require that you confirm that the entire procedure is up to date which can be done by comparing the date of the DB update cycle with the major revision date on the chart for the approach.I believe you can file /G as long as you verify any procedures you might use have not changed.
Is it still legal to file ifr with a GTN 750 with an expired database if you file and fly /U? That would mean sticking to airways and using the nav receiver instead of the GPS too.
It's in the AIM. Footnotes 2 and 3 to table 1-1-6. The first response to your post is basically footnote #3.Does anyone have regs to back this up?
Yeah. But with a GTN 750, why would you want to do that? That's the ultimate in pound foolish. Yeah, Jepp charges too much. But you did it for Garmin, so what's restraining you?
Not my plane, and the fbo plans to update tomorrow.
I checked the GTN afm supplement and it says no problem for enroute as long as you verify, but for a GPS approach, you need a current database.
Thanks for the help y'all.
Absolutely.Is it still legal to file ifr with a GTN 750 with an expired database if you file and fly /U?
What does it say in your GTN 750 AFMS? I'm about 99 and 44/100ths percent sure the answer is there.I've heard the same. Does anyone have regs to back this up?
Did you get that out of the OP's AFMS? If not, you can't be certain.Its legal.
The AIM only give the outside limit on this. Your AFMS may be more restrictive, and that overrides anything in the regs or AIM.It's in the AIM. Footnotes 2 and 3 to table 1-1-6. The first response to your post is basically footnote #3.
:applause:I checked the GTN afm supplement
Is it still legal to file ifr with a GTN 750 with an expired database if you file and fly /U? That would mean sticking to airways and using the nav receiver instead of the GPS too.
Is it still legal to file ifr with a GTN 750 with an expired database if you file and fly /U? That would mean sticking to airways and using the nav receiver instead of the GPS too.
I'm wondering if you could file /A, since GPS is an allowable substitute for DME.
Again, this is covered in the AFMS, and the answer varies and may not be what kontiki said.Something like this came up at work last week. If you go, make sure any ILS, VORs, LOC, are working for any approach you do plan to use.
Wait till you wind up with the bird in the trees and the FSDO finds you were in IMC with an obsolete GPS database (whether you used it or not).
Lets see - how many ways can we spell careless and reckless?
They can (and do) yank ATP ratings and pull 135 certificates and fail check rides for mere typos in the paper work.
They yanked Hoover's ticket just because an inspector had hurt feelings.
And you think you are gonna let you skate by with an obsolete IFR database in IMC conditions just because you "checked"?
How do you prove you checked?
How do you 'correct' your geo referenced plate to show that the IAF has moved?
How does the obsolete database know that you won't have to divert to a third and unchecked alternative if the weather goes down the toilet - like CB with hail parked over the first two.
Don't take me wrong - I am 100% for the pilot and against the heavy hand of big brother. But it is sheet-for-brains thinking that you can launch into IMC with expired charts/plates just because you checked. And it does not matter that some MFD manufacturer puts it in the manual that you can, because the inspector will laugh as he issues an emergency revocation of your certificate.
Come on guys - it is pilots with wishful thinking and sloppy flying that keeps the FAA coming down on the backs of the rest of us.
How does the obsolete database know that you won't have to divert to a third and unchecked alternative if the weather goes down the toilet - like CB with hail parked over the first two.
Wait till you wind up with the bird in the trees and the FSDO finds you were in IMC with an obsolete GPS database (whether you used it or not).
Lets see - how many ways can we spell careless and reckless?
They can (and do) yank ATP ratings and pull 135 certificates and fail check rides for mere typos in the paper work.
They yanked Hoover's ticket just because an inspector had hurt feelings.
And you think you are gonna let you skate by with an obsolete IFR database in IMC conditions just because you "checked"?
How do you prove you checked?
How do you 'correct' your geo referenced plate to show that the IAF has moved?
How does the obsolete database know that you won't have to divert to a third and unchecked alternative if the weather goes down the toilet - like CB with hail parked over the first two.
Don't take me wrong - I am 100% for the pilot and against the heavy hand of big brother. But it is sheet-for-brains thinking that you can launch into IMC with expired charts/plates just because you checked. And it does not matter that some MFD manufacturer puts it in the manual that you can, because the inspector will laugh as he issues an emergency revocation of your certificate.
Come on guys - it is pilots with wishful thinking and sloppy flying that keeps the FAA coming down on the backs of the rest of us.