If you came close to airspace

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If you came close to Class Charlie airspace towards the outer ring for a moment, would you file a report for that?
 
sarangan said:
What would you say in the report? That you came close?
If you didn't enter the airspace, there is nothing to file.
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“May of inadvertently “ I’d use.
Of course you could call them with your N number. Outer ring? Meh
 
No. However, be cognizant that even outside of the charted Class C airspace and perfectly legal, operating in certain areas (especially the arrival corridor and associated final) can be bad. ATC is working jets at low altitudes miles outside the Class B & C rings. One of the reasons we're seeing a lot of Class C airspace being redesigned and the round shapes being replaced by rectangles.
 
The scope doesn't look like a sectional. It's been a while, but the Opposing Bases guys talked about this. IIRC they said a TRACON scope might be able to display the charted boundaries like on a sectional, but in practice I don't think they do it that way. Also depending on how zoomed in they are, your tag on the scope is hundreds if not thousands of feet wide. Plus someone would have had to have been looking at you at the exact movement you brushed the airspace, if you accidentally did. The bottom line is if you didn't hear about it right then or soon after, you never will.
 
Assuming the original poster is referring to submitting an ASRS report (commonly called a NASA report) rather than reporting himself to the local ATC facility or FAA enforcement office, there are reason beyond waiver of penalties to file such a form. Perhaps he was distracted by something or had problems establishing communications, or any number of things which might potentially be of interest of aviation safety.
So there is not enough information for me or anyone else to give useful advice on this. That is except to say there is no limit to the number of ASRS reports one can file.
Jon
 
I was talking to a PCT controller and he claimed people were "playing chicken" with the SFRA (or maybe it was the Class B) boundary. I asked him what he meant by that and he said people would fly right up to the edge and then turned away. I told him I had another word for that: "remaining clear." I'll fly my desired route while I try to get you guys to acknowledge me on the horn, but if it doesn't work, I'll avoid busting the airspace.
 
Reminds me of a Headline from a news source AOPA once reported on. The news source was reporting on TFR violates and noted a fair number of pilots had violated TFR of a specific time period but then they went on to say that something like 50 times that many had had came close to violating TFRs. AOPA responded by saying, we call a close call "Remaining Clear".

Brian

edit: I just read post #16 after I posted this #17.
 
If the report could help another pilot avoid the same mistake, go ahead and file it. ASRS reports aren’t limited to violations.
 
Half Fast said:
Sounds like he only came close to making a mistake. Is there a mistake clearance requirement?
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Yeah but if another pilot can learn from almost making a mistake, in the future it might save them from almost making a mistake as well…nearly.
 
Half Fast said:
Don’t forget to disclose it to your insurance company as almost a violation. Maybe they will almost raise your rate.
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don't forget to almost establish and maintain radio contact with ATC before you almost enter their airspace
 
MauleSkinner said:
What exactly was the mistake?
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That he’s asking if a report should be filed for coming close to Class C infers that it was unintentional to do so, or that he was intentionally skirting as close as possible and is worried about getting in trouble. Either way, it’s a potential good training point if the report is honest and open about his thought process and why it happened.
 
ateamer said:
That he’s asking if a report should be filed for coming close to Class C infers that it was unintentional to do so, or that he was intentionally skirting as close as possible and is worried about getting in trouble. Either way, it’s a potential good training point if the report is honest and open about his thought process and why it happened.
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so “navigate better” or “the FAA isn’t looking for excuses to violate you, they’ve got enough violations to keep themselves busy already”?
 
I suspect if ATC had a nickel for every time someone scraped the edge of a Bravo or Charlie, they could all retire. There is plenty of buffer built into arrival routes and approaches. IMO no reason to report, even if "almost" turned into "just a little."
 
eman1200 said:
why WHAT happened?
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The OP said he came close to Class C, and is obviously concerned about it. That implies that he either inadvertently went off course, lost SA, or intentionally went close and thinks he could be in trouble for it.
 
with the information given by the OP, this ranks up there with the weirdest "discussions" I've seen on PoA in a while. I need to dig up the cole slaw thread to feel whole again.
 
I lost track of my rate of climb for a moment, it was turbulent, and an updraft may have pushed me ~50’ higher than what I wanted, and I corrected about 20-30 seconds after the fact. Wasn’t sure if a bell went off to ATC when this happened. I was not in contact w ATC and not on frequency.
 
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