How to spot an IT job from hell from their job description posting

What, no coffee barista on site? Concierge service to run errands, since you're working 100+ hours a week?
Once upon a time....mid-200s ....Jeppesen really did have a coffee bar and barista in the main building (along with the in-house buffet). No idea if it's still there, but most of software development moved to a 3rd building, nowhere close, many years ago.
 
Lol I kept reading "telephony" and thought it was a typo for "telephone". Lol. Shows how much I know.
 
This reminds me a lot of "Engineering Support Specialist" at my current employer. They aren't engineers, but support engineering through a million different roles, work LONG days, constantly in meetings, pay is "meh"...just overall seems like a bad gig.
 
Once upon a time....mid-200s ....Jeppesen really did have a coffee bar and barista in the main building (along with the in-house buffet). No idea if it's still there, but most of software development moved to a 3rd building, nowhere close, many years ago.

We had a rooftop real bar, complete with two beers on tap, at the startup I worked at, pre-dot-bomb/pre-9/11. Most of the time only used after hours, but there were days you’d see someone climbing the stairs around noon... LOL.

If anyone wants to read a fairly short but fun book about just how insane the dot-com startup era was, Po Bronson’s “Nudist On The Late Shift” is pretty entertaining.

I remember laughing out loud a couple of times reading it, because even though it was set in interviews from Silicon Valley, a few of the stories were straight out of companies I worked for.
 
And people wonder why I quit the 60 hr week gig a couple years ago and moved to teach at the university. Pay got cut by 80% but my mental health is soooo much better. Plus I have time to fly (only on campus 2 days a week).

Dotcom didn't impact me, I was working for Boeing.

I'm reading "The friendly Orange Glow", the story about PLATO in the 70s. Deja vu time.

Of course I'm not doing either right now - knee replacement on May 14. Physical therapists are sadists. AME (Dr Bruce) said don't dream about the airplane, don't even drive out to the airport until the end of July. Of course I'm not driving yet, either. Maybe next week.
 
Physical therapists are sadists. AME (Dr Bruce) said don't dream about the airplane, don't even drive out to the airport until the end of July. Of course I'm not driving yet, either. Maybe next week.

Glad to hear it’s going well... and that you’re doing your PT! ;)
 
I'm so glad to be retired from industry. Still active in standards committee work, which requires travel and some consulting to pay for the travel, but overall, I'm retired. Can't find a single thing to say about it that is negative.

Now, let me tell you about a job a head hunter was trying to get me to apply for a number of years ago. A large player, located in Waukesha, WI. Wanted a world-wide director for EMC (electromagnetic compatibility). Labs in 5 countries. Sounded like a job that would require a bunch of travel, and you could be living almost anywhere close to a major airport. Nope, had to move to Waukesha. Let's see... Mosquitos so big in the summer that they have N numbers stenciled on the side. Colder than you know what in the winter. No thanks, not enough money in the world to get me to move there. The only attractive thing in WI is Oshkosh, and that's not year round. Glad I didn't persue that one.
 
I'm so glad to be retired from industry. Still active in standards committee work, which requires travel and some consulting to pay for the travel, but overall, I'm retired. Can't find a single thing to say about it that is negative.

Now, let me tell you about a job a head hunter was trying to get me to apply for a number of years ago. A large player, located in Waukesha, WI. Wanted a world-wide director for EMC (electromagnetic compatibility). Labs in 5 countries. Sounded like a job that would require a bunch of travel, and you could be living almost anywhere close to a major airport. Nope, had to move to Waukesha. Let's see... Mosquitos so big in the summer that they have N numbers stenciled on the side. Colder than you know what in the winter. No thanks, not enough money in the world to get me to move there. The only attractive thing in WI is Oshkosh, and that's not year round. Glad I didn't persue that one.
I saw a great opportunity in video standards for a company located in Sand Diego, perfect fit. A lot of the committee work takes place in Europe. They wanted no part of a remote guy like me who's 3 time zones closer to the action.

Technology, meh.
 
I've seen write-ups much worse that the one Nate shared. They're the ones that are actually written well and seem attractive, but are for the same position referenced in the OP.
 
We really need to meet up for a beer.

Sounds like we've both been in IT for a while - no telling the kinds of war stories we could swap, LOL!

I also found some god awful thing that did the same thing as pcAnywhere for ... wait for it... wait... OS/2 Warp. It was made in Germany. Last time I checked they’re still selling it, too. LOL LOL LOL.

That crap saved me a lot of airline miles. Back when airline miles meant something.

Holy crap, they’re still in business. Looks like they dropped OS/2 support though. Hahahahaha. 30 years making remote access software. That’s just scary.

https://www.netop.com/remotesupport.htm

OMG, I think I may have used their product in the 90's. We actually used pcAnywhere for remote server administration and I remember one year the IT director was complaining about cost of ongoing support (or something like that) and we were forced to evaluate other solutions, and ended up buying a different product, and I think it was made by a company in Germany - I bet it was that one!

IIRC it was the same IT director who didn't want us to implement quotas on home directories, even though people used them to back up their desktop machines, so there were all kinds of redundant Windows files in there clogging up space. He said to us one day (and I quote), "It's cheaper for me to buy storage than manage it." Except he never approved any purchase orders to buy any either, so the file server kept filling up all the time anyway! All he needed was the pointy hair, and he would have been a carbon copy of the boss in Dilbert.
 
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IIRC it was the same IT director who didn't want us to implement quotas on home directories, even though people used them to back up their desktop machines, so there were all kinds of redundant Windows files in there clogging up space. He said to us one day (and I quote), "It's cheaper for me to buy storage than manage it." Except he never approved any purchase orders to buy any either, so the file server kept filling up all the time anyway! All he needed was the pointy hair, and he would have been a carbon copy of the boss in Dilbert.

Just remember, Dilbert is a documentary.
 
I think @RJM62 will get a laugh out of the above. :) You're too quiet lately Rich.

It's summertime, Nate. I try to spend as little time staring at screens as possible.

But yeah, I guffawed a bit at that ad. My old want ads took up about a column inch, or more likely a handwritten 3x5 index card posted in a college jobs office. I'd also create a disposable email address for the replies and include strict instructions not to bore me when replying.

I also learned pretty early on to avoid CS / IT majors. They were only slightly less useless than CS / IT graduates. I mean, seriously, how can someone have a degree in IT and not know how to install a NIC or crimp an Ethernet cable? One would think that somewhere along the line they'd have picked up those menial but essential skills.

As an aside, I once was asked to stop by a client's home to fix his 14-year-old daughter's computer. This was back in Win98 days. All she wanted was for it to be stable so she could do her school work. The kid was quite bright and had a mild case of Asperger Syndrome (mild as in I never would have noticed had her parents not told me). She would get very upset when Windows **** the bed in the middle of a school project.

It didn't take me long to determine that her Win98 system was hosed, so I slaved the HDD to my Fedora laptop to recover the data. She seemed fascinated by it; and to make a long story short, I wound up installing both Win98 and Fedora on her PC to see if she liked Fedora better than Windows. I figured I could always go back, repartition, and remove Fedora if she didn't.

It turns out she loved Fedora. In fact, she peppered me with Linux questions via email for about a year after that until she got to the point that she knew more about it than I did. By the time she was 17, she had earned more Linux certifications than I knew existed (along with some CompTIA ones just for good measure). She'd become a bona-fide guru.

My client never stopped thanking me for giving his daughter something to focus on. All I did was install Linux on her PC, but apparently it was a life-changing event for her. She made a career out of it. Last I heard, she was running a datacenter out west somewhere.

She also earned her BSIT without ever actually setting foot in a college. The combination of the AP courses she'd taken in high school, the credits for all her certifications, and testing out of a few odd courses, were enough to fulfill her degree requirements. Her dad told me it took about three months from her enrollment to her graduation, and most of that was waiting for transcripts.

What it really comes down to is that some people just think in a way that makes them suitable for IT. Those people can learn whatever they need to that falls under that broad umbrella. It's a peculiar combination of being a bit scatterbrained, but also intensely focused. I think it's why all the best IT people I know are either complete slobs or are OCD-worthy organized. In reality, they're both. One just dominates outwardly while the other churns away inwardly.

I think it's the same way of thinking that allows some people to be great pilots, air-traffic controllers, race car drivers, and debaters. It's the ability to focus intensely on one thing while still keeping track of all these other things buzzing around in your head. It's the essence of situational awareness, as well as things like coding and scripting. That, more so than the specific skills a person already has mastered, is what determines that person's ability to master new skills.

At least that's my opinion.

Rich
 
I don't complete poo-poo the graduates. I certainly learned some good stuff getting my CS degree. But I had more than a decade of experience writing production software before I went back to school to finish it. And I started programming in high school. I completely agree that there are people who think this way, and those who do not. If i didn't think that, tutoring folks in programming would have convinced me. :rolleyes: Otherwise intelligent folks who couldn't figure out how to do simple stuff in programming.

John
 
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