How comfortable are you flying through snow?

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Took the boy to monster jam in St louis this afternoon/ evening. Wound up flying through snow most of the way home. It probably felt heavier than it was, but visibility got down to maybe one mile at times. Temperature was -14C, and I was regularly checking for buildup.

I've flown through snow in the past, but never that heavy or for that long. I keep wondering if I didn't know what I didn't know. So, was I being reckless, or no worries?
 
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I have flown in snow many times. As long as the temperature is well below freezing, you are fine, but using a heated pitot is essential.

Flying above clouds that are producing snow can be a problem, your plane is cold soaked, and entering the clouds produces icing, and if the clouds are producing snow, that can be rapid accumulation.
 
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Make sure you put in the alternate air door if you're gonna do that in your -14.
 
Usually when that comes up I’ve been concerned it’s going to be wet or I’m worried about low ceilings/icing from clouds but yeah if it’s well below freezing it should be ok it just feels wrong.

Also I flew my kid to lunch over in MO today but it was in VFR conditions- no precip.
 
Make sure you put in the alternate air door if you're gonna do that in your -14.
Yeah the lance has that nice big oval air filter that seems like it'd be impossible to clog. I was watching the MP too, though.

Flying above clouds that are producing snow can be a problem, you plane is cold soaked, and entering the clouds produces icing, and if the clouds are producing snow, that can be rapid accumulation.

This is really interesting, and falls into that unknown unknown category for me. My original intent was to climb above the clouds, which in stl looked thin and were reported as broken. We entered them and did begin to pick up ice. Bases were at 6200, so I just asked for 5 and we stayed under.

When we got home, CMI told me they just had an Envoy come in, reported bases at 3, not be able to find the airport on a visual, and had to fly an approach. This did not make me very excited. I could see the ground, so I requested an RNAV to the downwind runway with a circle. He got me down to the 2300' MVA and cleared me for the approach. Thankfully we never re-entered the clouds, the snow let up, and I spotted the runway from 10 miles out.

it just feels wrong

:yeahthat:

Also I flew my kid to lunch over in MO today but it was in VFR conditions- no precip
Yeah the flight over was nice, although we had 25 knots on the nose. Things kind of went south after dark.
 
Super important point. If that spidey-sense is tingling before or during a flight, that's a great cue to reconsider whether what you're doing is both safe *and* smart.
Unless you're IFR and your spidey-sense tells you to ignore your instruments and trust the seat of your pants.
 
If the plane has deice capabilities then flying snow is not an issue. I’ve seen wet snow stick to the leading edge before, plus flying through the clouds that is producing the snow, so to me having deice capabilities is a must.
 
How comfortable am I flying in snow.??

Very comfortable.

Just don't take the plane out of a nice, warm hangar out into the snow. Let it get cold first.

And use the pitot heat. Ask me how I learned that one.
 
Cloud ceiling + temperatures near freezing at their altitudes = never fly into them. That’s me.
 
Just don't take the plane out of a nice, warm hangar out into the snow. Let it get cold first.
Sorry, this is probably a dumb question. But the logic being that the warm airplane surfaces would melt the snow and allow it to turn to ice?
 
No dumb questions in aviation. Well, maybe one or two... but yours is not one of them.

Yes, the snow could stick to the surface and melt, then refreeze icing up the surface of the wing. Although rare the snow melt could possibly get onto the aileron or elevator controls and limit movement.
 
I’m glad you asked …. I was out in Wyoming last week staring at the JAX airport from the slopes, wondering about flying there, and was thinking that I don’t remember that I’ve flown IfR below freezing. Logically it makes sense if the temps are well below freezing it should be ok, but there is that darn spidey sense that it’s just not right.
 
Not usually a fan of boldmethod, but that's a really good article Their summation is kind of the same as what's been discussed here:

Flying Below The Clouds
Temperatures between 0 degrees and -5 degrees Celsius are most prone for water and wet snow combinations in the air. Snow gains mass much faster than small liquid droplets, and subsequently precipitates out of the cloud first. If liquid droplets remain suspended in the cloud, you probably won't encounter much risk for ice. However, if the liquid does begin to precipitate and the temperatures are around 0 to -5 degrees, you're putting yourself at risk for accumulating substantial ice. In this case, the colder the air temperature below 0, the safer you'll be.

But don't let the dry snow below the clouds fool you. There could still be plenty of super-cooled liquid within the cloud itself, which is the perfect recipe for icing conditions. If the water droplets in the cloud gain enough mass to precipitate before they fully freeze, you might run into freezing drizzle or rain, which is the worst case scenario you could find yourself in.

Flying Through Clouds With Snow
If you fly through a cloud with snow in it, you'll likely be flying in icing conditions unless temperatures are well below -20 degrees Celsius. Snow forms from moisture accumulating and sticking together, so if you fly through that formation process you're likely to encounter liquid that will turn to ice on your airplane. Don't expect to find just dry snow inside a cloud.

Don't go into clouds producing snow, because you'll get ice (confirmed), and flying through snow is generally safe unless it's close to the freezing point (also confirmed).
 
Never flown through snow in private flying in my plane but flown through snow a bunch of times in helicopters for work. Flown in combo of ice & snow with anti-ice & deice and straight dry snow without. Like the Boldmethod article, without anti ice / deice you really need to make sure it’s dry. There are some good radar apps that’ll depict snow, rain and mix. In my experience, anytime it’s in the upper 20s on the surface it’s all dry aloft and bounces off the aircraft. We still use snow deflectors for inlets because even dry snow can get stuck and block the air to the engine.
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Confirmed personally? Should I not be asking?
Yeah, mentioned it in post #6

Looking at clouds before it got dark (thin & streaky), forecasts, and skew-t's, as well as a "BKN" metar, I was expecting to pop through a thin layer and fly home on top at 7k. By the time I got to 6, we started to see snow streaking by the landing lights, and didn't think much of it. Shortly after, we hit the clouds. After maybe 30s, we still hadn't popped out, and I started to see a shiny glaze of ice on my leading edge, so I asked to go back to 5, which I knew was under the clouds. The defroster took care of the little bit on the windscreen, but the leading edges stayed shiny all the way home, which is part of the reason I was rattled by the snow. It was just a trace, but I think we all agree that ice is to be taken pretty seriously in a non-FIKI airplane.

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and I started to see a shiny glaze of ice on my leading edge, so I asked to go back to 5, which I knew was under the clouds. The defroster took care of the little bit on the windscreen, but the leading edges stayed shiny all the way home, which is part of the reason I was rattled by the snow. It was just a trace, but I think we all agree that ice is to be taken pretty seriously in a non-FIKI airplane.
"leading edge" meaning the entire span of each wing? Perhaps my definition is off-base, but I would consider ice on only the non-flying surfaces such boarding steps, gas caps handles, etc. to be trace.
 
"leading edge" meaning the entire span of each wing? Perhaps my definition is off-base, but I would consider ice on only the non-flying surfaces such boarding steps, gas caps handles, etc. to be trace.
Yes, the whole leading edge had a glaze.

From https://www.faa.gov/documentlibrary/media/advisory_circular/ac_91-74b.pdf
4-2. ICING INTENSITY. To report the intensity of icing, such as in a PIREP, the following
descriptions are used (see paragraph 1-3 for complete definitions):
a. Trace Icing. Ice becomes noticeable. The rate of accumulation is slightly greater than
the rate of sublimation. A representative accretion rate for reference purposes is less than ¼ inch
(6 mm) per hour on the outer wing. The pilot should consider exiting the icing conditions before
they become worse.
b. Light Icing. The rate of ice accumulation requires occasional cycling of manual deicing
systems to minimize ice accretions on the airframe. A representative accretion rate for reference
purposes is ¼ inch to 1 inch (0.6 to 2.5 cm) per hour on the unprotected part of the outer wing.
The pilot should consider exiting the condition.
c. Moderate Icing. The rate of ice accumulation requires frequent cycling of manual
deicing systems to minimize ice accretions on the airframe. A representative accretion rate for
reference purposes is 1 to 3 inches (2.5 to 7.5 cm) per hour on the unprotected part of the outer
wing. The pilot should consider exiting the condition as soon as possible.
d. Severe Icing. The rate of ice accumulation is such that ice protection systems fail to
remove the accumulation of ice and ice accumulates in locations not normally prone to icing,
such as areas aft of protected surfaces and any other areas identified by the manufacturer.
A representative accretion rate for reference purposes is more than 3 inches (7.5 cm) per hour on
the unprotected part of the outer wing. By regulation, immediate exit is required.

You're probably correct; considering I was only in it for a minute or so, it was probably somewhere between light and moderate conditions. The buildup was only about the thickness of a sheet of paper, if that.
 
Ice is so misunderstood. I mean ice cools your drink and that is a good thing.

But ice must be hot on an airplane, I mean does anyone else start sweating when you see ice building up.??
 
ice.

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Flying through snow is fine - eyes inside if viz is bad. For me, if it's snow it's already frozen, so as long as the wing isn't warm it won't adhere (watch out for inversions!)

Now if I can only figure out how to pull an airplane out of a hangar and blast off before the wing gets frost to adhere to its surface... (without de-ice fluid)
 
I have no problem at all flying through dry, powdery snow. It's already frozen, it doesn't stick. In fact, if you have landing lights in your wings, turn them on and you can actually see the boundary layer! Pretty cool. FWIW, the boundary layer on the 182 was about an inch. The boundary layer on the last Delta jet I flew on into Detroit (type unknown, sorry, don't remember) was more like 4-6"!

Heavy, wet snow can cause problems, but often still doesn't.

As with any other potential icing scenario, have your outs and be ready and willing to execute them.
 
I have no problem at all flying through dry, powdery snow. It's already frozen, it doesn't stick. In fact, if you have landing lights in your wings, turn them on and you can actually see the boundary layer! Pretty cool. FWIW, the boundary layer on the 182 was about an inch. The boundary layer on the last Delta jet I flew on into Detroit (type unknown, sorry, don't remember) was more like 4-6"!

Heavy, wet snow can cause problems, but often still doesn't.

As with any other potential icing scenario, have your outs and be ready and willing to execute them.
 
In a high wing, without wheel pants, a good place to look for the start of ice is on the leading edge of the tires. Gives good contrast and easy to see. Confirmed personally…lol

It can be, but for whatever reason ice doesn’t seem to stick as well to the rubber so if it’s accumulating there there’s probably more on other parts of the plane you can’t see as well.

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I have only flew in light cold snow close to home. I was really nervous about it since I didn't know what to expect.
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I've flown through snow squalls before, below the ceiling layer, and never picked up any ice. That's not to say it won't ever happen.

Flying in snow is not something I'd do intentionally. However, when caught in a snow shower, I'm looking for a way out. Visibilities in snow can crap out on you very quickly.
 
(it just feels wrong).........
You just answered your own question. Not to mention you have a responsibility to your pax
 
I flew through really light snow on my way to my first checkride. Temp was in the low 20's. Visibility and ceiling were fine, and winds were light. It was just a little weird is all. Rain when it's cold and might freeze? No chance. Freezing rain is spooky enough just walking around.
 
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