Help: I fear I have beome a "with you" snob

Henning said:
All traffic in the pattern please advise
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LOL.....OK I hear people say that all the time. My ground school teacher hates that phrase. He is also the one that runs our unicom. So of course I tease him all the time by saying it. :D:D
 
GAZOO said:
LOL.....OK I hear people say that all the time. My ground school teacher hates that phrase. He is also the one that runs our unicom. So of course I tease him all the time by saying it. :D:D
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It's unnecessary and also pointed to as a no-no in the AIM. Identify yourself with a position call and you will hear the others in the pattern respond with their position call. NORDO aircraft will not hear to respond regardless.
 
How 'bout keeing it regional? Like in PHL area it would be
"92P wit chew at 7 thousand".
 
Henning said:
How do you feel about "Good day xxxx approach, 9SA with you descending out of 7 thousand two for three five." Would that cause you an aneurism? Because that's what I say (unless the freq is busy, then I minimize everything), and I say it faster than the typical "aahhhhh,xxxx approach ahhhhhh, 5NN ahhhhh five point two ahhhhhhhh for three point five ahhhhh"
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This

Henning said:
How will a pleasantry at sign off help with the controller's handling of you?:dunno: I open with some cheer, I also get VFR transitions through O'Hare...coincidence?:dunno:
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and this :yes:

I'm the "with you" "thank you" and "good day" guy. Haven't had a reason to ***** about controllers yet, they were helpful everywhere I've been so far
 
docmirror said:
"spamcan 12345, flight level zero four five." :yesnod:
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Lots of countries have lower transition altitudes. A year or two back Miami Center cleared us to FL050 going out to St. Thomas, I think. Anyway, my noob FO keyed the mic and and all full of snark replied we're "descending 5,000".

I could have choked him.
 
Nothing like a thread with a bunch of white dudes trying to imitate Ebonics.
 
Bad comms is like bad grammar or bad spelling. It drives me nuts but I'm not the comms police, grammar police, or spelling police. If you embarrass yourself by tripping over your tongue or asking UNICOM with a AWOS/ASOS what runway are you using, it's not my job to point it out.
I've heard students bugger up comms. I've heard the professionals bugger them up. What matters (comms, grammar, or spelling) is did the thought get across correctly?
 
I've read people who eat a lot of mushrooms have reduced depression.

Immelman said:
Yesterday I did a couple of short flights (not work, where we typically climb up to a higher altitude controller quickly, but in my own plane) across California and back. There was a good amount of GA traffic transiting the San Joaquin valley.

Now, I have never been one to really care about non-standard phraseology to the point of getting annoyed... but for some reason the whole "with you" thing just hit me like a ton of bricks for the first time in 15+ years of flying. Cessna's were saying it. Thick-sounding-Asian accents training near Castle were saying it. Experimentals, Mooneys, and other types were saying it. Saying what? Saying this: "Norcal approach, Cessna 12345... WITH YOU at 4 point 5.."

It was one of those looking-glass moments when I suddenly started paying attention to checkins and realized that every GA pilot in that space and time said it.

Now, I did not start a thread to complain about 'with you'. I apologize if it seems that way I'll bet that that topic has been discussed here before. The thing is, I need help. It started to drive me nuts. I'll admit it, I have a problem: It made me a "with you" snob. How do I go back to my free and easy ways of just not giving a rat's a$$ what people say? :D
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Everskyward said:
Just don't read people's rants about radio technique. The internet can be valuable for some things but I think it gives people a skewed perception of real life, and not just on the subject of aviation.
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Pretty much describes the internet all right.
 
Love reading the comm rants,it's amazing how one or two words can get so many posts. The posts just keep going ,going ,with you.
 
eman1200 said:
...and down south:

"I reckon I'm with y'all at 7,000"
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moonshine said:
"3000 fixin' to climb 7000"
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redtail said:
:rofl:

My wife loves The Waltons, she jokingly talks like this to me sometimes:lol:
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eman1200 said:
I reckon I wasn't kidding about the southern lingo..............

http://youtu.be/RNjNXiM86yg
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I grew up in the South. As a kid we would watch the Beverly Hillbillies and we couldn't figure out what was so funny. :dunno:
 
RotorAndWing said:
I grew up in the South. As a kid we would watch the Beverly Hillbillies and we couldn't figure out what was so funny. :dunno:
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Best line ever was Jethro:

'That's the thing about them aughts. Put 'em in front of a number and they don't mean nuthin, but put 'em after and hooooooooweeeeeeeee!'
 
"With you" is something I said for decades, to no apparent ill effect.

Then somebody pointed out that it was redundant, and with some effort and difficulty I eliminated it.

It's only two words, but repeated hundred or thousands of times they do contribute in a tiny way to frequency congestion.

I learned to fly, and then taught, at Opa Locka, FL in the days it was very, very busy.

I would have my students time the following:

"Ummm, Opa Locka Ground, good morning. This is Cessna N12345. I'm over here in front of the Opa Locka Flight Center. I'm ready to taxi to runway 9L, and I do have ATIS Information Bravo."

Then compare it to:

"Opa Locka Ground, Cessna 12345, Opa Lock Flight Center, ready to taxi to 9L with Bravo".

There are times when every word counts. There are others where a bored controller will tell you his Mom was raised in Copperhill, TN and elicit a conversation. No need to be (excessively) anal, but eliminating "with you" is just a bit more professional, and it's the kind of thing that's really just as easy to do right.
 
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I have been saying 'with you' for over 50 years when transferred to the next controller. Unlikely I will ever change. Even hauling freight into Chicago and Cleveland at night we always used that phrase.
I don't use it when making an initial contact because that controller is not expecting me.
I never say please advise.
I always say 'oh, yes please' when offered some nookie, however.
 
Henning said:
Not unusual to hear, that's the standard everywhere but the US.
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It's the standard everywhere above the TRANSITION ALTITUDE, which in most places is lower than the 18K it is in the US.
 
Immelman said:
I'll admit it, I have a problem: It made me a "with you" snob. How do I go back to my free and easy ways of just not giving a rat's a$$ what people say? :D
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Just go back to saying "with you." :D
 
You get no points for using the word "points" on the radio. That's really worse than 'with you" or "any traffic....". The last thing you want to garbage up is an altitude report.

"Dogpatch Approach, Bugsmasher 1234, 20 south, TWO THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED, with Alpha."
 
JimNtexas said:
You get no points for using the word "points" on the radio. That's really worse than 'with you" or "any traffic....". The last thing you want to garbage up is an altitude report.

"Dogpatch Approach, Bugsmasher 1234, 20 south, TWO THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED, with Alpha."
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That works when you are a pop up, incoming aircraft...

When you are handed off by enroute centers, the " with you" is more seamless as they already are painting you on their screen and know your location and altitude..:yes:
 
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