Got first doze of Pfizer today

Discussion in 'Medical Topics' started by WannFly, Feb 25, 2021.

  1. Doug Reid

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    I personally do not trust statistics anymore...
     
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    Eh, I'm comfortable with statistics. If I flip a coin 100 times, I'm confident that the results will be close to 50/50. And if I toss the same coin 1000 times, it will be even closer.
     
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    Ok
     
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    That's great. While not as spectacular as the data on the mRNA vaccines, it is still very good as far vaccines go.
    The big advantage is that it can be stored in a regular vaccine fridge, so if they get enough of the stuff into the marketplace, this is something your kids pediatrician can give you while you bring your kids for a checkup. It doesn't have any of the logistics constraints that favor larger facilities the way the Pfizer and Moderna products do. You can put 25 doses at a time in your fridge at the general internists office and just vaccinate anyone who hasn't been covered by the public vaccine effort.
     
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    Amen, brother !
     
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    My dad is the only person in my close family to have gotten the shot. He just got his second shot yesterday. He has not felt the mind control chip take over yet, but he thinks it should be any day now.
     
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    First dose scheduled for Wednesday. Who want's my stuff?
     
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    Still waiting. As DOD civilian it was offered. About a third at my command took it. Maybe the Johnson and Johnson version.
     
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    That would indeed be good. But the kids themselves can’t get it until it is approved for children. None of the three vaccines are approved for children yet. So I’m not sure that a pediatrician would have any on hand.
     
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    If he can just click on 'box of 25' in his weekly McKesson order, he just may.

    Cases that get into the schools come from homes, the best way to minimze the risk of outbreaks in the schools is to have parents of school age children vaccinated. Pediatricians give immunizations all day every day, it would be a natural venue to do this. I am not putting a vaccine fridge into our office because we I dont have a nurse that could handle this. Injections are not within the scope of practice for our technicians and assistants.

    And then there is this:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ts-dead-missouri-home-both-had-covid-n1258989


    And yes, currently only the Pfizer vaccine is approved for 16 and over and there is no way for a regular medical provider to get their hands on it. Studies to step the age down to 12 and 9 etc. are underway. Given the odd reaction that some kids have to the native disease and the fact that we have very little knowledge on the mechanism of that reaction, people are somewhat nervous about moving the age for the vaccine downwards.
     
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    Got my first Moderna yesterday at the Ingles in Blue Ridge, GA. On the basis of being 70+. No side effects yet. Other than a very slightly sore arm.
     
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    Moderna already created a booster for the S.African variant. It only takes them a couple of days once they have a virus sample to "adjust" the vaccine ... it will probably be held back to see how last year's phase one test group responds to antibody tests starting this month (March). Moderna has a 95% efficacy decreasing to no lower than 75% with the new variants by several articles (we'll see how accurate they are later).

    The JNJ and AstraZeneca vaccines will carry a stigma that it is for "the lower classes" based on lower efficacy numbers ... Germany is already refusing the AstraZeneca vaccine including Merkel.
     
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    I wonder if the JnJ trials were skewed by the fact that they occurred later in the pandemic and hence was tested against multiple coronavirus variants vs. the mRNA trials which might have been tested against fewer coronavirus variants?
     
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    Not just the lower efficacy, but also because it doesn't require the ultra-cold freezers, which will make it far easier to distribute in the "lower class" areas that don't have the facilities to keep either Pfizer or Moderna.

    What we can't tell at this point is whether the J&J was tested against exactly the same variants as the mRNA vaccines. If some of the testing included potential exposure to the new variants it might show lower efficacy than it otherwise would if tested as the other 2 were. AZ is not yet approved here and there are still questions about its testing.

    I got jabbed with Pfizer, so I'm bound to that at this point, but its efficacy numbers are in line with Moderna.

    Germany is far behind on vaccines for a number of reasons.
    https://www.politico.eu/article/trapped-in-germany-covid-coronavirus-nightmare/
     
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    They are not refusing. They are just not using it for individuals >65. If you are <65, the only vaccine appointments the portal makes available are for the AZ vaccine.
     
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    Yes. A good part of the J&J data is from the South African outbreak. Most of the fatalities in the data they reported was in that subpopulation.
     
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    Seems for the initial rollout, JNJ is going to be used for homeless and prison populations here in Texas.

    I understand the homeless, can’t count on them coming back for the second dose.
     
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    Still trying to get schedule my first dose. I may end up driving or flying upstate since that seems to be the only place with available appointments. My fiancé gets her second shot on Friday.
     
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    Haven't had any issue in Brooklyn. Was even able to reschedule my second shot for a day later after being stuck on the road. Pretty easy process - no waiting, and they didn't even check my ID. Heh!
     
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    Being 70+, I was able to make appointments in both Loudon and Sevier counties in TN, on March 8 and 10 respectively. Now that I got mine in GA, we’re going to see if either of those is willing to substitute my wife, who is not yet 65. But she is taking care of an elderly cousin in hospice, and is legally a health care surrogate, so we’re hoping that will work.
     
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    My wife is 62 and takes care of her elderly father. She had no problems getting both shots in Ellijay.
     
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    Where did you get your vaccine? And do you need to be an NYC resident?
     
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    I went in through this portal: https://vax4nyc.nyc.gov/patient/s/

    But now that I look at it, it appears you'd need to be an NYC resident. I thought it was just the state. :(
     
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    We fall under public transportation.
     
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    Ah, That’s part of the next phase here in Georgia, but we are not there yet. I hope to get mine as soon as we do. It’s interesting the way different states have handled it, we have been vaccinated 65 and older since day one, while many states still have 75 as the cutoff.
     
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    Yea there’s a few on the vaccine finder pages that are limited to residents only. Looks like I’ll be flying upstate somewhere!
     
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    Loudon County Health Department said no deal. Oh, well.
     
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    A friend of mine in NY got both shots based on his 135 flying. It must have worked, too. He did sim training a couple of weeks ago. Right afterward, both his sim partner and the instructor came down with COVID. My buddie got tested and remained COVID free. He was pretty happy about that!

    Another friend flies Lifeflight and got COVID a few months back. Nearly killed him. He ended up in the hospital twice, and now, several months later, he's still feeling pretty bad. He worries that he may have permanent organ damage. This long-hauler stuff is no joke.
     
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    Worse side effect I have heard complaints about is growing a third arm. You will have a profitable career as a wall paper hanger, but buying shirts is a challenge.
     
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    Wow, someone's been drinking the cool aid...
     
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    Yep, modern medicine is clearly a government conspiracy designed to do something heinous to all who partake.
     
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    Got the first Moderna shot on Feb 3 and can still feel the spot on that arm where it was administered. Getting the second one Thursday, going to load up on ibuprofen before I go!
     
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    Best to avoid ibuprofen before the shot; it may reduce the effectiveness of the vaccine. Giving the vaccine a running start and then taking ibuprofen seems to be ok.

    https://www.prevention.com/health/a35382367/tylenol-ibuprofen-after-covid-19-vaccine/ Lotsa similar links out there.
     
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    That's also the advice of the CDC:

    "It is not recommended you take these medicines before vaccination for the purpose of trying to prevent side effects, because it is not known how these medications may impact how well the vaccine works."
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/expect/after.html