Got “thrown out” of an airport today

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Yes, everyone was in front of the plane sitting at the restaurant and standing on the stairs. I'm glad you see that as a problem.
 

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Salty said:
Yes, everyone was in front of the plane sitting at the restaurant and standing on the stairs. I'm glad you see that as a problem.
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I’m sure the people in the city also infront of the plane were in fear for their lives as well

Also why does everyone’s expression in that video seem to reflect you being the problem?
 
I think every airport cafe has planes with the engines running somewhat pointed at it daily, from how you try to paint it you would think the prop was over someone’s soup
 
TampaPilot said:
I think every airport cafe has planes with the engines running somewhat pointed at it daily, from how you try to paint it you would think the prop was over someone’s soup
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not with the pilot outside the plane futzing with a passenger (that could hit the controls) for 10 minutes. No. It had already been 5 minutes and multiple exits of the passenger, and the moron walking right in front of the prop before I even got up.
 
Salty said:
not with the pilot outside the plane futzing with a passenger (that could hit the controls) for 10 minutes. No. It had already been 5 minutes and multiple exits of the passenger, and the moron walking right in front of the prop before I even got up.
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Grasping at safety straws?

“Could have”

Again, if this was so apparently seconds of death dangerous why did every person in that video seem to have a problem with YOU?
 
And the airport mangement who have more liability here than some random guy (you) decided to kick you off the airport instead of anyone crewing or riding or watching the yak, why do you think that was?


I’ve been around aviation a very long time, for fun and professionally, I can only think of one person kicked off a airport and he wasn’t a pilot
 
Yeah, let's reflect for a bit. A new member joins just to throw shade at somebody concerned for people's safety. Someone that knew to check this forum. Heartily tearing into somebody for thinking having kids 15 feet from a propeller with nobody in the aircraft is an issue. Even if I'm being over cautious, who I wonder, would have this strong of a reaction to someone being concerned about the safety of an operation and want to post anonymously?

Oh, and they have a working knowledge of Yak operations to boot.
 
Salty said:
Yeah, let's reflect for a bit. A new member joins just to throw shade at somebody concerned for people's safety. Someone that knew to check this forum. Heartily tearing into somebody for thinking having kids 15 feet from a propeller with nobody in the aircraft is an issue. Even if I'm being over cautious, who I wonder, would have this strong of a reaction to someone being concerned about the safety of an operation and want to post anonymously?

Oh, and they have a working knowledge of Yak operations to boot.
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Kids 15 feet from the prop? Oh the humanity!

Looked like mostly adults, and they were to the SIDE of the plane, away from the prop, in a group by parked aircraft, no doubt instructed to stay there by the crew, also within eyesight of the crew

Again, why does everyone in that video/airport seem to view you as the problem?

Aviation is a small community, you can’t post something like this without it getting the attention of people in the community, I was texted a link to this site, I made a account.
 
nauga said:
Yes, let's. What was your objective in posting here rather than someplace that could take action on these grave safety concerns?

Nauga,
restrained
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Good point. That was a mistake. Perhaps. Others might want to avoid the airport if they agree with me. If they don't ignore me. Pretty simple.
 
Salty said:
The airport owner then?
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No

I have no affliction with that plane or any management or FBOs or even lawnmowers at that field

I don’t know what else I can say, I’m going to get back to work now
 
Salty said:
More threats.
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That not a threat

nor was my first post, I sent the email before I joined this site, the other post you falsely claim is a “threat” was how I ended up on this site, you post these things you get attention, that is what you were really looking for posting this wasn’t it?

I got a text, I clicked the link, sent a few emails signed up, posted, and now I really have to get going, please don’t make problems for pilots trying to share aviation just because you want attention or whatever
 
Salty said:
Others might want to avoid the airport if they agree with me. If they don't ignore me. Pretty simple.
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Maybe not as simple as it first seems. What should they do if an unescorted stranger approaches their airplane and records it close-up while they are otherwise occupied?

ETA: Did you really think that the best way to approach something you thought was life-threatening was to provide further distraction?

Nauga,
and creepers
 
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nauga said:
Maybe not as simple as it first seems. What should they do if an unescorted stranger approaches their airplane and records it close-up while they are otherwise occupied?

Nauga,
and creepers
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Does not seem like your post has anything to do with mine.

I was sitting in the outdoor restaurant and watching a pilot climb out of his plane and screw around with it still running aiming at me. Then a guy walks in front of the prop.

I guess I should have done what everyone else did. Nothing.

Doesn't matter, I won't be going back there. Not because of this event, but because they think it's ok. My choice.

I probably shouldn't have posted it here, but I don't agree that it should be ignored. I do not agree that this is safe practice. The parking lot for the public restaurant is right around the hangar corner, just a few feet away.

I think this is unsafe. You don't. Fair enough. I'd wager if you saw the environment in it's full, you'd probably be more inclined to agree with me. I didn't take the video to post here, or I would have done a better job of "documenting" things. Frankly, I thought maybe they might wake up if they thought about what they were doing.
 
nauga said:
Maybe not as simple as it first seems. What should they do if an unescorted stranger approaches their airplane and records it close-up while they are otherwise occupied?

ETA: Did you really think that the best way to approach something you thought was life-threatening was to provide further distraction?

Nauga,
and creepers
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What would you have done? I reacted to the guy stepping in front of the prop. I sincerely thought he didn't realize the danger he was in. He was standing 10 feet in front with a brace on his foot and no pilot in the plane, and a non pilot screwing around in the back seat. I was pretty much in shock when he yelled at me in response.

PS> The only time I was truly in front of the plane is BEFORE I approached it, sitting at my table. I moved to the side as quickly as I could.
 
Plane flew four times that day over a period from 9 am to 3:30 pm. Agree it looks sketchy. Not sure the video was the right course of action, but @TampaPilot trying to justify it is pretty amusing.
 
Salty said:
I think this is unsafe. You don't. Fair enough.
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I haven't said whether or not I think it was unsafe - that is intentional on my part as I was not there. Clearly you think it was unsafe, but I do not think your actions made it safer, I think that by moving back to the tail you added further distraction to what you thought was a dangerous situation.

Nauga,
POTP
 
Salty is going to be salty, lol. I don't have a problem with what he did here. A group of ten or so people standing on the ramp, I doubt any had a pilot license. No marshaller in sight for them, maybe the guy in front of the prop was the marshaller? But a dozen people standing out there should have more than one marshaller.

My biggest problem here is the pilot leaving the cockpit with the engine running. With the airplane pointed at another crowd to boot. Very poor decision making.

I go back to the B17 crash in Hartford, and all the bad/dangerous behavior there. It wasn't done in secret, meaning more than one person knew things weren't right, if one had spoken up then people who died would still be alive and that ship would probably still be flying.

More of us need to speak up when we see stupid stuff. And that video showed a lot of stupid.
 
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I do want to be clear about something. I have no evidence of commercial operation of an experimental. He could have been taking his family for rides for Christmas for all I know.
 
unsafervguy said:
agree about hot loading, but hot loading passengers with nobody at the controls is not only stupid, but will get every fed in town interested.
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Agreed. Someone at the controls, someone to chock the plane, a couple of safety personnel on each side of the plane, no one in the vicinity except those being loaded one at a time from the rear and behind the wing, etc. Should even had had the area flagged and marked that no one came into the area unless escorted.

But what appears to be giving rides for money in an experimental, if that indeed is the case, needs to get somebody slapped as well (if they are doing this without a LODA).

In the end all pilots may have to put up with stupid rules because of stupid people doing stupid things and getting folks maimed or killed.
 
This is the most clear cut, unambiguous case of unprofessional stupid behavior. I'm surprised there isn't more of a consensus on it from the forum.

I'd say just hand in your license if you think an unprofessional bunch of dip**** loading up regular passengers into a prop plane with the engine running and no pilot at the helm is a good idea. Sure it might work fine 500 times, but there's going to be that one time where something goes wrong - and then we're going to read about it on "aviation mishaps" board with everyone saying "RIP" and "so sad". And you know who is going to end up paying the price? It's going to be one of those non-aviation passengers who mistakenly thought that owner/operator knew what the F they were doing.

Seriously, how gd hard is it to turn the plane off so that you can load safely? **** your difficult hot start, or whatever other stupid *** reason you don't want to turn off the engine for.

And seriously, this TampaGuy trying to bash him for capturing it on camera calling him the real risk? A knowledgeable pilot walking the wing of the plane and around back to document the stupidity of the operation by capturing it on camera is the absolute least of concerns.
 
I’m honestly surprised by the uniform level of outrage being expressed in this thread. I would have expected responses to be more evenly distributed.
 
Tom Wells said:
A knowledgeable pilot walking the wing of the plane and around back to document the stupidity of the operation by capturing it on camera is the absolute least of concerns.
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How were they to know he was a knowledgeable pilot and not JAFO out of the restaurant distracting them while they were busy?

Nauga,
who doesn't like strangers approaching his airplane
 
nauga said:
How were they to know he was a knowledgeable pilot and not JAFO out of the restaurant distracting them while they were busy?

Nauga,
who doesn't like strangers approaching his airplane
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Rotfl. Doesn’t like strangers approaching his plane? Wish I’d taken more footage of the location for you.

The experience level of the person pointing out an issue doe not change the risk or danger that is occurring.
 
Mtns2Skies said:
Did you talk to the pilot?
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I was “escorted” from the property by Mr blue shirt (not the airport owner, but at his direction)

though to be fair, I was already leaving never to return again. No way I was staying.
 
nauga said:
How were they to know he was a knowledgeable pilot and not JAFO out of the restaurant distracting them while they were busy?

Nauga,
who doesn't like strangers approaching his airplane
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With the benefit of hindsight we know it was a licensed pilot and what his intentions were.

As for the ground crew watching him, not knowing he's a pilot? If they're hot loading an airplane like this and they allow themselves to get distracted by someone walking close to the tail of the plane, and that's their paramount concern? whilst their attention should be solely on the prop, would only further illustrate how unprofessional their operation is. I don't want someone walking right next to my plane either, but the guy walking around the rear of the plane is the least of my concerns when the prop is spinning and I'm loading pax.
 
So just to summarize:
  1. You deemed a situation unsafe.
  2. Rather than doing anything to remedy the unsafe situation, you inject yourself into it adding distraction and confrontationally videotape the operation like a Karen in a Macy's.
  3. You don't discuss this with anyone that is in a position to rectify the situation (if a situation exists).
  4. You post it publicly on the internet without talking to the pilot.
Now that's classy.
 
Hang 4 said:
Plane flew four times that day over a period from 9 am to 3:30 pm. Agree it looks sketchy.
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Why? I’ve done that, and more, in an Experimental, giving rides. Numerous times. Young Eagles for the most part, but I also spent a day shuttling people between airports when the area was flooded a few years back. I’ve flown family, friends, and total strangers.

I’d never consider loading or unloading anyone with the engine running, or having the engine running without a qualified pilot in the seat. That’s just me. Maybe there’s a safe way to do it, I don’t know (or need to know, really).
 
Mtns2Skies said:
So just to summarize:
  1. You deemed a situation unsafe.
  2. Rather than doing anything to remedy the unsafe situation, you inject yourself into it adding distraction and confrontationally videotape the operation like a Karen in a Macy's.
  3. You don't discuss this with anyone that is in a position to rectify the situation (if a situation exists).
  4. You post it publicly on the internet without talking to the pilot.
Now that's classy.
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You are wrong in many points.

there was nobody around other than the pilot in control of the situation. I could not approach him safely. I could yell at the person in front of the prop to warn him. I did so. I stayed to talk to the airport owner before deciding to leave.
 
Salty said:
I could yell at the person in front of the prop to warn him. I did so.
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Mtns2Skies said:
2. Rather than doing anything to remedy the unsafe situation, you inject yourself into it adding distraction
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So you don't think that a stranger yelling at someone while they are standing on the wing of a running aircraft isn't an unsafe distraction?
Salty said:
You are wrong in many points.
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No, I ****ing nailed it.
 
TampaPilot said:
You were not pax or crew, as a [guessing private pilot?] you should know better than to get that close to a running plane you have nothing to do with.
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Defend it all you want. We'll wait for the Tampa FSDO to say whether it's defensible.

It's stupid stuff that gets the public all yelling about "those dangerous little airplanes that should be banned." It's stupid stuff that has resulted in all the regulations that chain all of us down. It's stupid stuff that raises insurance premiums, the cost of airplanes and parts and shop time. It's stupid stuff that kills friends and acquaintances.

When we see stupid stuff we should call it out. We should not be trying to find excuses for it.
 
Dan Thomas said:
Defend it all you want. We'll wait for the Tampa FSDO to say whether it's defensible.

When we see stupid stuff we should call it out. We should not be trying to find excuses for it.
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He wasn't defending the actions of the pilot, and neither am I, frankly no one is defending the pilot.
 
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