Goodbye Santa Monica Airport

The irony of Washington state must be examined to be appreciated. It was a conservative heaven that called out to all Californians who couldn't stand California any more...

And then...they shaped it into exactly what they had known, and hated, in California. Some of my family is there, after generations in California, and have "helped" make it into the socialist hell it has become.

But back to Santa Monica Airport. Until airports like SMO become valuable to the citizens of their community, they will be vulnerable. This means providing air transportation services to someone other than millionaires, which means creating affordable and convenient air taxi service to feed our hub and spoke system.

The solution is to make these airports USEFUL again. Crack that nut, and the NIMBYs will be drowned out by the regular folk.

This has been the Holy Grail of Air Taxi from the time before 135, and many small fortunes were made; out of large ones.;) The reality is we do not have the technology at this point to make it practical. It will require something like large quadcopters that you don't fly, but rather guide, the technology exists now, it just needs refinements. It needs one that takes you from your domicile directly to the store or work. We'll have them eventually, it just takes the efficiency of electric rim drive to make it work, and that means we need compact, light weight, portable electricity first.

Airplanes have had their day for the GA sector, they never lived up to the promise due to their shortcomings in requiring specialized infrastructure with secondary transportation issues at both ends. That is often a 'cost of GA' that is neglected in cost of using GA to travel calculations, we have to maintain our illusions, luckily crew cars are around to help and point at a solution, public vehicles. What would really help GA right now is to ave a "public vehicle" fleet of airplanes, but that would require a communist society to happen.
 
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This has been the Holy Grail of Air Taxi from the time before 135, and many small fortunes were made; out of large ones.;) The reality is we do not have the technology at this point to make it practical.


The realty is that it is expensive, even in small airplanes, and there are not enough people who can afford it or justify the expense.
 
The realty is that it is expensive, even in small airplanes, and there are not enough people who can afford it or justify the expense.

Exactly, the value just isn't there. You have to love flying GA to justify it.
 
Exactly, the value just isn't there. You have to love flying GA to justify it.

And scam the government into building you airports and towns into putting up with airports.:D
 
I am amazed that Santa Monica didn't close its airport a long time ago.

Why? It uses valuable real estate, it is noisy, and it offers little to most who live near it. Whatever is built there instead will probably bring more jobs and produce less noise.

That's just the reality of urban GA airports, and that one especially.
 
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The best plan so far is to be bi coastal. Florida in the winter and California in the summer. We'll see, still a ways away.

Boy, that'd be a culture shock. A Blue Hair in California:

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A Blue Hair in Florida (especially in the winter):

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And what's really fun is when you get behind this lady and her husband (who's wearing the exact same "fit over" sunglasses):
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As they're going down the interstate in their motorhome pulling a jeep that's pulling a boat...doing 45mph in the left lane, with their blinker on!

I've spent a lot of time working in both states...I wouldn't wish Florida on my worst enemy, especially Florida in the winter. Well except maybe for extreme southern Florida.

California one the other had, I really like. But then again, I view multiculturalism as an asset and not the liability that so many here do.
 
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When I worked in California I couldn't wait to move elsewhere, which was cured as soon as I did.

California, the land of fruits, flakes, and nuts, hollyweird, governor moonbeam, who succeed, the terminator, and a massive population of entitlement whore, illegal aliens, sucking up tax dollars, and providing little, to nothing in return, except menial labor when they do so.
I'll bet they were glad to see you go too. I know I would be.:yes:
 
Do people in Cali still do that bit where they ask you where you are from, then say that is a nice place to be from. With snide emphasis on from.

Where are you from Greg?
 
Do people in Cali still do that bit where they ask you where you are from, then say that is a nice place to be from. With snide emphasis on from.

I'm from New Jersey. Now *that* is a nice place to be *from*....
 
Yup... And every other car you pass on the road has a UNDOCUMENTED ILLEGAL ALIEN FROM MEXICO in it that has NO drivers license, NO insurance and 6 kids.. all on medicaid, food stamps Section 8 housing etc etc..... What is not to like ...:confused:........:redface:

Nope... Not a racist...... I am a realist.....


Facts are the facts...:yes:


What part of my post is incorrect???..:dunno::dunno::dunno:

You're claiming the above nonsense is a fact?! :no:
Let's see your data.
 
You're claiming the above nonsense is a fact?! :no:
Let's see your data.


Ha....

You caught me....

ALL "undocumented" aliens in California actually came in to this country the legal way( didn't sneak in). They ALL have green cards. None of them get ANY government benefits. They ALL have auto insurance. They ALL have a valid drivers license.

And................ I am full of ***** too...:D

Carry on....:rolleyes:
 
SMO is one of my favorite destinations. Sad day if it closes.
Oh and this:
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I just do not understand the constant desire for people on forums like this to constantly insult the people from a state and point out the worst parts of that state every time that state name gets mentioned.

How would they like it if every time they posted, others pointed out the WORST parts of their state instead of looking at the brighter side?

Also,by the way, completely ignoring the original intent of the post?

We know a lot of people do not like California. But a lot of people do. We call it home, Including this writer. I am not ignorant of the problems in this state but I am also cognizant of all the great things the state does have to offer. I have weighed the alternatives and lived all over this country.

I like what I have found here.

+1

I lived in SoCal for a while; Fullerton was home, Peoples' Republik of Irvine was work. I love Fullerton, great town, responsive city government, everything you needed to live well was accessible without the freeway (well, except work). Great airport, too.

I never planned on staying, and did not, but cannot imagine the vitriol. My biggest complaint was the pervasive tone of presumptive superiority I got from some folks (mostly along the coast). They mocked my home state of Texas, as they mocked my delightful home of. Fullerton. Very odd.
 
Oh god..., can't we ever have a conversation that mentions CA that does not include someone saying how much they hate California?

We get it. Some of you don't like the state. We have heard it many times.

Then don't live here.

I happen to like it here, for reasons mentioned above and other reasons.

Why in the heck would any sane person want to live In an empty icebox like Wyoming?

Problem is CA, as the incubator for socialism in America, drags the rest of us down with it .
 
Problem is CA, as the incubator for socialism in America, drags the rest of us down with it .


It is the incubator for technology. Carries the rest of the country on its' coat tails.

Same for food, wine, etc...
 
Ironic, coming from a place where you get shot for buying Skittles and wearing Hoodies.

Travon got shot for bringing Skittles to a gun fight. And the "winner" -if you can call him that- was acquitted by a jury of his peers.
 
Start running cheap flights to Vegas out of smo maybe that would make some friends...

why would they do that when they plan to have a $100 billion high speed rail?
 
Wine Washington has it beat, but otherwise I agree.

There is a lot of good wine in a lot of areas, NOW DAYS. Including Walla Walla.

But, Calif was the "incubator" of America's wine industry, and Napa (and Sonoma) still sets the standard.






I can find amazing places to live in Calif, in Wyoming, in New Jersey, in Texas, etc.

If you can't be happy in multiple places, that likely speaks more of the curmudgeon than the location.
 
Monorail you say

Can you say " Mag Lev" ?:dunno:


Yup.... Disney gets their 20 billion share on the scam....

And,, word on the street is they hired Henning as the lead engineer for the Hydrogen powered propulsion system.....:yes:....:D
 
why would they do that when they plan to have a $100 billion high speed rail?

Oh, our world class, bleeding edge, warp speed rocket train that will go from Fresno to Bakersfield in mere minutes? That super shuttle of awesomeness is not scheduled to go anywhere as lowly as Las Vegas.:no:

Auggggg....:mad2::mad2::mad2:

This state is loaded with money. Sadly, the people that have this money seem to be happy to hand some of it over to the state government. Why that is, I have no idea. The people running the place get all loopy with grand ideas that a lot of times make zero sense. I'm pretty sure that the majority of state voters have no idea what a "bond" is. I'm pretty sure they think it's free government money from... ???

What's weird about this state now is, the people at the top of the economic ladder with loads of money and lots of influence, actually support these wacky ideas. Loaded liberals full of hope and change. Confounding and frustrating at the same time. The place is so awash with cash, it survives in spite of some really bad ideas. :dunno:
 
Wow, this thread is just completely useless. Gotta love all the hate for CA, while year after year more and more people move here. Must be a horrible place to live. Good thing you guys dont live here, it's horrible. I sure do hate the fact that it was 85 degrees at my house today....in November. It's horrible that I can actually go surfing, ride my motorcycle a couple hours and go snowboarding all in the same day.

Seems to me the worst part about living in CA is hearing all the people who DON'T live here ***** about how terrible it is here. Guess what, those of us who do live here know the good makes up for the bad, and if you don't like it here that's great. There's plenty more states for you. I've been to almost all of them though, and most of them suck.
 
If you think CA continued to have a real estate boom in the aftermath of the 2007 housing bubble rupture, you are fooling yourself.

Having lived there through that period I would definitely say it was an interruption.

The real estate market in the entire country crashed just as bad if not worse, and CA has already rebounded faster than most areas. I bought my house in 2007, and 3 houses on my street just sold for $125-175k more than I paid for mine. People still wanna live here, no matter how much people on the internet hate the place.
 
It is the incubator for technology. Carries the rest of the country on its' coat tails.

Same for food, wine, etc...

Unfortunately, it's also the incubator for weirdness and nanny-statism, with New York running a close second.

I think it has something to do with weirdos and idealists wandering about looking for perfect places to settle, reaching one coast or the other, and being forced to stop when they reach the water and can't go any farther. It starts in the cities and then spreads to the surrounding rural communities when still-restless weirdos move to the country and bring the weirdness with them.

The singular aspect of weirdness that makes these people annoying to others is the very aspect that also causes airport closings, which is why it is relevant to this thread, as distasteful as it may be to Californians. That aspect is the inability of some people to accept anything in their lives that is not to their liking. That inability propels them to pursue perfection, as they define it, without regard to whether the things that they happen to dislike and are trying to do away with may be useful to others.

Ironically, nearly all of these people also consider themselves more community-minded than others, despite the fact that their entire outlooks are built on self-centeredness. They're basically spoiled brats who can't help but pout, stamp their feet, and whine if any aspect of their worlds does not perfectly conform to their own definitions of utopia -- regardless of whether or not that thing that they don't happen to like is useful to others, and without regard to whether that thing has any actual effect on themselves. All that matters is that they don't happen to like it, so therefore it must be done away with.

It's truly bizarre. In fact, it's probably pathological. They're so self-absorbed and self-centered that they honestly can't even see it.

We have them up here, too. One of the natural gas companies has been trying to lay a pipeline along a stretch of road for quite a long time -- probably close to a decade -- but has been stalled by a small but vocal group of opponents who use every possible tactic to stop it from happening, despite the fact that it be the trunk of a system that would eventually provide a cleaner and cheaper energy alternative to well over ten thousand people.

Mind you, we're talking about a four-inch or six-inch diameter pipe, not something huge. But it would provide a natural gas alternative to homeowners and businesses whose only options at present are oil and propane, both of which are dirtier and more expensive than natural gas and have to be delivered by diesel-guzzling trucks.

Ironically, the people who oppose the pipeline consider themselves environmentalists. Their opposition to the pipeline is based on a bizarre convolution of logic that concedes that the pipeline would reduce emissions and be of enormous economic benefit to the community. They don't deny those facts at all. But they oppose it anyway because they don't want to "encourage the fossil fuel industry."

See how that works? They don't like fossil fuel companies, so therefore they oppose burying a pipe -- even though they admit that it would be cleaner and cheaper than the current options, would be of economic benefit to the community at large, and would reduce "greenhouse gas" emissions. They don't like it because it would benefit an industry that they hate; and therefore it simply can't happen.

In the interest of nothing in their universes ever being not perfectly to their own liking, they basically tell those around them to go **** themselves -- and then pat themselves on the back for being so community-minded. These people's lives are a bizarre and infuriating blend of arrogance, self-centeredness, self-absorption, disdain for others, and cluelessness that normal people can't even fathom, much less relate to.

And there are lot more of those people in California (and New York) than in most other places.

These are also the people behind the vast majority of airport closings. Even if they're not in the flight paths and are in no way affected by an airport's operation, if they don't happen to like airplanes or airports, then the airport must go. No further justification is needed, in their minds. They don't like it, and that's that. They will whine, pout, and stamp their feet until they annoy enough people in positions of power to make it go away.

That's the connection between this particular airport's uncertain future and its being in California. You have altogether too high a percentage of these pathological whiners and crybabies, and your government actually pays attention to them. I'm frankly surprised that you have any G.A. airports left at all.

New York isn't much better. There are some backwoods airports up here, used mainly by ultralights and ag pilots, whose futures have become questionable because of this sort of thing. What usually happens is that some crybaby moves up here from the city, stumbles across the airfield, is horrified to learn that it even exists, and mounts a campaign to close it.

They don't like it, so therefore it must go.

Rich
 
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Sumtin funny bout Cali. If it is so great why all the defensiveness?
 
... in today's economy. FTFY.
There's a lot of money around Santa Monica, and a lot of money that flies in and out, in today's economy and in the past. Probably much more than the average for the rest of the country. But that's part of the problem. I'm guessing the land is worth much more to developers than it is worth as an airport.

But I don't think it's going anywhere. The wealthy folks who use it don't want it to go away.
 
Unfortunately, it's also the incubator for weirdness and nanny-statism,........



They don't like it, so therefore it must go.

Rich

Great Post Rich..... And 100% accurate too......:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:......

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Wow, this thread is just completely useless. Gotta love all the hate for CA, while year after year more and more people move here. Must be a horrible place to live. Good thing you guys dont live here, it's horrible. I sure do hate the fact that it was 85 degrees at my house today....in November. It's horrible that I can actually go surfing, ride my motorcycle a couple hours and go snowboarding all in the same day.

Seems to me the worst part about living in CA is hearing all the people who DON'T live here ***** about how terrible it is here. Guess what, those of us who do live here know the good makes up for the bad, and if you don't like it here that's great. There's plenty more states for you. I've been to almost all of them though, and most of them suck.

If your basic point is true, that the "good" outweighs the "bad" then why did Dave from Discovery Bay post what he posted? That post sums up why I left California.

I agree with what you say, but what you say didn't outweigh the bad - FOR ME.

If that was the case, the state wouldn't be billions in debt, with a nut for a Governor who most think is BETTER than the last Gov, it wouldn't be legalizing breaking the law (immigration), it wouldn't be trying to build billion dollar monorails instead of paying it's bills, it would learn to save for a rainy day... I could go on and on and on.

The fact is, those folks that you're trying to make the minority, AREN'T.

And that's why the airport is in danger of closing. And that's why this thread is off the rails. What's important to some of us is not important to you, or Ralph, who packed up his toys and went home....

You have a formerly great state that has been ruined, and continues to be. It's very sad to me.
 
I sure do hate the fact that it was 85 degrees at my house today....in November. It's horrible that I can actually go surfing, ride my motorcycle a couple hours and go snowboarding all in the same day.

I'd love to live in socal, but I don't know how you all can afford to live there. A decade ago I was offered a plant manager job out in Orange county, their offer was 15% over what I was making at the time living in "the middle". I ran the numbers and found I'd really suffer a 20-30% DECREASE in lifestyle. I countered with asking for a 40% increase, and they laughed and said they could get qualified people all day long at the salary they offered. "Go get 'em" I said.

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