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and most patients will find some "excuse" to not improve their diet and exercise. Or am I the only one?
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and most patients will find some "excuse" to not improve their diet and exercise. Or am I the only one?
DaleB
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You are not. Ol’ Fatso here has been kicking that can down the road for years. Fingers crossed for this time, though.
Lindberg
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If your doctor hadn't mentioned the importance of a good diet and exercise long before you need a statin, that's a problem.
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Oh FFS, at this point does anyone really need a DOCTOR to tell them the importance of diet and exercise?
Have you ever walked into a Walmart on a weekday? Or stopped at a fast food place and looked around? Obviously the message is lost on deaf ears. I forget the number, but the current percentage of 18yr olds who would not qualify for military service if the draft was enacted is disgustingly high.
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I agree that the medical community is more apt to treat a disease rather than preventing it, but that is a small part.
A few bigger parts are:
-Parents! I am a "grocery cart snob. I do all of our grocery shopping and I am always amazed when I see fat people with fat little kids loading up their cart with junk food like soda, potato chips frozen pizza etc.
-Food Companies that actually spend research dollars on how to make their processed foods addictive.
-Well meaning people that tell you not to "fat shame" obese people so that they can be comfortable with their fat bodies.
-Clothing companies. My wife gets tons of clothing catalogs in the mail that show half naked fat people in "fashionable" clothes. I don't even look at her "Victoria Secret" catalogs any more.
-Parents! (yes, parents twice) that fail to instill any sense of personal responsibility in their kids and that anything they do is fine and expect they still get that participation trophy for coming in last in any sports event.
A few bigger parts are:
-Parents! I am a "grocery cart snob. I do all of our grocery shopping and I am always amazed when I see fat people with fat little kids loading up their cart with junk food like soda, potato chips frozen pizza etc.
-Food Companies that actually spend research dollars on how to make their processed foods addictive.
-Well meaning people that tell you not to "fat shame" obese people so that they can be comfortable with their fat bodies.
-Clothing companies. My wife gets tons of clothing catalogs in the mail that show half naked fat people in "fashionable" clothes. I don't even look at her "Victoria Secret" catalogs any more.
-Parents! (yes, parents twice) that fail to instill any sense of personal responsibility in their kids and that anything they do is fine and expect they still get that participation trophy for coming in last in any sports event.
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Unregulated capitalism FTW! It's crazy how some ingredients are common here that are illegal in other places.
It's not like fat shaming is going to change anything. Negative reinforcement rarely works well.
So, you're not wrong on your two observations of parents, BUT... I'm guessing it's either been while since you had small children, or you don't have children.
We try hard to eat well, in moderation, but it is difficult to really be healthy with small children in today's America.
With both parents working and ever busier kids, there's a very small window to get something ready, so cooking from scratch is difficult. Even the "meal kit" companies' stuff usually takes around an hour to be prepped and cooked, and we often don't have that much time. The 8 year old isn't done with his activities until 5:30-6 most nights, and the 2 year old needs to get to bed around 7-7:30 so the window is tight.
Eating healthy is also more expensive, and people have less and less income. Produce goes bad quickly. Anything at all without preservatives, some of it is gonna get tossed. With a tight budget, that's no bueno - We throw away a ridiculous amount of food in my house, something my parents would never have done nor needed to.
Plus, to some extent, kids are gonna be who they are. Our 8 year old is a fantastic eater, he probably eats better than anyone else in the family including his parents. When we took him to Disney at age 5 and did the talking turtle thing, the turtle (whose name I cannot recall) asked what everyone's favorite food was, and while the other kids were saying things like "Fries!" or "Donuts!" or whatever, our kid yelled "BROCCOLI!" And he's great about eating salads and other veggies as well. He's never had much of a sweet tooth, he's always been good about trying new things, and it's been really easy overall to get him to eat well.
The two-year-old, however, is a challenge. He'll hardly eat anything, especially if it's even marginally healthy. He will definitely eat donut, sugary cereal, he loves chocolate, pretzels, cheese, and all the bad stuff. The only vegetable he seems to like is dill pickles. It's hard to even get him to eat meat. And it's not like we've done anything differently between the two.
So yeah, there are plenty of failures of parents in terms of getting kids healthy, but it's not always their fault and we as a society are definitely not setting them up for success.
Lindberg
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Unmitigated socialism FTW! It's crazy how some ingredients are common in other places that are illegal here.
I will disagree with that statement.
The problem is our obsession (as a nation) to cook every day.
Nothing wrong with throwing a pork shoulder or a couple chicken breasts in the slow cooker on Sat/Sun, cook a couple sides, and then eating that for most of the week. Same for a lot of other foods, they all keep in the fridge for 3-4 days, and can be portioned and frozen if needed.
You just have to do a bit if meal planning and spend an evening a week cooking it all. Kids can help with prep or cleaning, too. Start early.
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I didn't say it was impossible. I said it's difficult. It's MUCH easier to buy some random frozen processed crap and throw it in the microwave. That's the problem.
For us, that'd have to be on a weekend... And we're often traveling somewhere on the weekends for the kids to see and experience new things.
And not everything keeps well, even in a fridge or freezer. I'll certainly do things like cook up big batches of soup or whatever, eat once and freeze the rest, but winter is depressing enough as it is without eating reheated stuff from the freezer. It's never as good as it is the first time... And "healthy" to me includes plenty of fresh fruits and veggies.
Absolutely. My older son has been helping with the dishes since he was about 3.5 years old, and age-appropriate stuff with cooking too. Early on it was reading and following directions on a package of something simple. In the last week we've made french toast, egg salad, and fajitas (twice!) together. Here he is with tonight's dinner:
I think part of what makes him a good eater is that we don't really restrict him from having "bad" stuff now and then. He loves going to Panda Express about once a week; that got him to like peppers which is the reason why fajitas have been such a hit. Last week's fajitas used pre-cooked steak strips out of a bag; today we marinated, cut and cooked a flank steak ourselves and added a large poblano to our pepper mix. We'll make it incrementally better next time too. Tonight we talked about maybe growing our own peppers and tomatoes.