Future of Flying in Alberta post secession

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Lots of assumptions here, but curious how this plays out aviation wise -

IF Alberta secedes from Canada; and
IF Alberta becomes the 51st United State; and
IF Alberta retains its current shape/territory

How does this move into the United States airspace system? Day 1, are we able to fly into it as a domestic flight? Will the airspace need to change to US Style airspace instead of the Class C system in Canada today? Does Class A move up to 18,000ft right away? Do the FIRs convert immediately?

What about sectional charts, and the US/Canada ADIZ? Does the FAA adopt any of the NavCanada fees?
 
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Key roadblocks include:
  • Legal & Constitutional Hurdles: Based on the 1998 Supreme Court of Canada decision on Quebec, unilateral secession is illegal; it requires negotiating with Ottawa, which is not guaranteed to succeed.
  • Indigenous Rights: First Nations leaders have challenged the referendum, arguing they haven't been consulted and that the land is "treaty land," not to be separated without their consent.
  • Petition Halt: Justice Shaina Leonard ordered a pause on certifying the ~300,000 signatures pending a decision in a lawsuit filed by First Nations.
  • Public Opinion: While separation sentiment exists, polling indicates a clear majority of Albertans prefer to remain in Canada.
  • Economic Viability: A potential independent Alberta would be a landlocked nation, relying on partnerships with Canada and the U.S. for trade.
  • Foreign Influence: Concerns exist about disinformation, with analysts noting risks of foreign interference and a lack of capacity for local officials to manage it.
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Wait... I'm kind ofa news junky and I have missed this - is this even in the realm of discussion?
 
AA5Bman said:
Wait... I'm kind ofa news junky and I have missed this - is this even in the realm of discussion?
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Secession, yes. Adoption as the 51st state, no.

A petition for Alberta to secede has gathered a sufficient number of signatures to qualify for a ballot. Other hurdles remain. AFAIK, they're only seeking independence, not trying to join the US.
 
Half Fast said:
Secession, yes. Adoption as the 51st state, no.

A petition for Alberta to secede has gathered a sufficient number of signatures to qualify for a ballot. Other hurdles remain. AFAIK, they're only seeking independence, not trying to join the US.
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If they do ultimately become the 51st state, Alberta could be a great place for Canadian aircraft parts and components manufacturers to relocate their operations. But it would sure make the map of the U.S. look strange.

I'd prefer to see all of Canada and Greenland become part of the USA. That new map would look awesome!
 
Rick A said:
I'd prefer to see all of Canada and Greenland become part of the USA. That new map would look awesome!
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I'd just like to have BC and the Yukon so we'd have US continuity to Alaska. All I want of Greenland is a little US land for military bases (sort of like Guantanamo) and mineral rights. I'd rather not have the burden of owning the whole place.
 
Ooh, that means we will get Jasper and Banff. I'm all for it!

Edit - but also the Calgary Flames? :dunno: Still in
 
Last time this succession talk boiled over, we had a nasty war. Not again, despite the gain in oil or airspace.
 
The possibilities:

1) We could get Alberta, and then trade for Greenland. Or....
2) BOGO - Alberta and British Columbia thrown into the deal Or....
3) Go big or go home - Alberta, BC, AND Cuba.

IF a civil war broke out in Canada, it would be dog sleds and lumberjacks insulting each other, maybe throwing bottles of maple syrup at each other, with Canadian Tire and Tim Hortons serving as the industrial/military oligopoly.
 
Half Fast said:
I'd just like to have BC and the Yukon so we'd have US continuity to Alaska. All I want of Greenland is a little US land for military bases (sort of like Guantanamo) and mineral rights. I'd rather not have the burden of owning the whole place.
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Nah, that's an ugly map. Let's negotiate absorbing the entire hunk of North America, from the Mexican border up to the Artic Sea, and east to include all of Greenland! Lots of natural resources and low on population who'd appreciate sharing new found wealth. That map is beautiful! And we'd dump the silly Canadian IFR user fees...
 
WDD said:
IF a civil war broke out in Canada, it would be dog sleds and lumberjacks insulting each other, maybe throwing bottles of maple syrup at each other, with Canadian Tire and Tim Hortons serving as the industrial/military oligopoly.
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Each side of the civil war would probably apologize to the other at the end of each day. I truly love Canada's reputation for friendliness. :)
 
I keep thinking about "The Devil's Brigade"
 
Yeah, but the French speaking people would quit the war before 11:00 in the morning and start their croissant and espresso routine.
 
Domenick said:
I have nothing against Canadians personally. Living just 75 nm from BC, I've met many a Canuck. For the most part, I've liked them all, however, I don't want 5 million Canadians voting in US elections.
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Living in Florida, I’ve also met many Canadians. Voting would be bad enough, but I really don’t want 5 million of them driving down here.
 
Domenick said:
I have nothing against Canadians personally. Living just 75 nm from BC, I've met many a Canuck. For the most part, I've liked them all, however, I don't want 5 million Canadians voting in US elections.
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Good point... maybe an unincorporated non-voting USA territory (i.e. the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico)?
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This is all so odd.

Alberta is never, with a capital "N," going to be a state.

And they're never going to (be allowed to) secede from Canadia. And, as my favorite CanadiaTexan notes above, it doesn't appear that the majority of Albertans want to secede.

Canada has a lot of stuff to work out, and I hope they do so. But hey - so do we!
 
In theory(highly debatable) TX and HI are the only two states who have any remote chance of leaving the union. Being independent nations prior to joining the US, their entry was a bit more complicated. And exiting would be even more complex.

Spit - look how long it was for Brexit, the UK to get divorced from the EU, and that was fully supported by the electorate. TX has always had a bit of a contentious relationship with the Union. It seems HI melded into the nation rather smoothly.

What does Alberta have that the US would want? Is there oil up there? Last I recall what they mainly had was a huge population of ****-off indigenous folk.
 
Barrett50 said:
Spit - look how long it was for Brexit, the UK to get divorced from the EU, and that was fully supported by the electorate. TX has always had a bit of a contentious relationship with the Union. It seems HI melded into the nation rather smoothly.
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I wouldn't say full supported. And most of them that voted for it are now realizing it was a gigantic mistake.
 
Barrett50 said:
Spit - look how long it was for Brexit, the UK to get divorced from the EU, and that was fully supported by the electorate.
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Maybe not your point, but "fully supported" is a wild exaggeration. It passed 52% - 48%

Barrett50 said:
What does Alberta have that the US would want? Is there oil up there? Last I recall what they mainly had was a huge population of ****-off indigenous folk.
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Yep, oil and beef. Alberta is famous for both.
 
172andyou said:
Maybe not your point, but "fully supported" is a wild exaggeration. It passed 52% - 48%


Yep, oil and beef. Alberta is famous for both.
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Sounds like "North Texas" would be an appropriate name.
 
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