Foreflight or FlyQ (and any deals on these at Oshkosh?)

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  1. groomsie

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    Have finished my PPL and joined a flying club, but the club plane has no GPS and most use an EFB. Makes sense. I'm looking at Foreflight or FlyQ (Seattle Avionics). I know Foreflight is more widely used but I am leaning towards FlyQ but without much more to go on except my initial feelings based on a short trial. I'm using an iPad FWIW.

    Side question; at AirVenture are there any deals to be had on subscriptions for these? Assuming I make it up to Oshkosh this will be the first year I'll be interested in things like EFB software so no previous year experience to draw upon. TIA.
     
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    For IFR Foreflight is the better choice. Both kind of suck for VFR pilots. So many things are just hard to do as a VFR pilot in either.

    I used both, didn't like Foreflight because all the really good stuff requires the 'Plus'. FlyQ is OK, but not as polished.
     
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    Interesting...do you have a recommendation for VFR pilot?

    I have heard if you are going to progress into a lot of flying or a career Foreflight makes more sense, but at my age I'm likely just doing this for me (may push on to instrument rating but we'll see). Like many softwares getting used to it makes it more natural so from that respect learning Foreflight now may cover all bases best. Thanks for the response.
     
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    I have switched over to iFly. Runs on Android runs on Apple runs on PC. I use it for both VFR and IFR and for me it works great.
     
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    Thanks. I'll take a look at this.
     
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    I think FlyQ is a better option for VFR than ForeFlight. The main reason is georeferenced airport diagrams. That requires higher than basic in FF (pretty much an IFR package); only basic in FlyQ. Go into an airport with a complex runway system once and you'll see how valuable that can be. And, like FF, FlyQ has airport diagrams for airports which don't have an full page FAA one. You are too new to remember, but older pilots will recall the Brown Flight Guide airport diagrams. FlyQ bought those and incorporated them into the app.

    Foreflight sometimes does a promo during AirVenture but it typically involves upgrading. You ight wait a week and see what happens. FlyQ seems to always have some kind of deal going on. Discounted first year, lifetime plans, etc.

    @EdFred mention iFly. Excellent EFB for anyone. It's been my backup EFB for a number of years.

    All of these have free trial periods. Take advantage of them.
     
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    FYI, Basic has been discontinued and when you renew, the lowest level is Basic Plus which is $20 more IIRC. The features included with that are worth it to me. I do especially like the logbook in Plus. Takes a bit of study to get the full benefits of Plus but I’m ok with it having used it from the earliest release of ForeFlight. If Boeing keeps boosting the price, I’ll reconsider.

    The plane I now own came with an iFly unit but I haven’t really learned that system. Looks reasonably useful and I might do further investigation if I have the time.

    Cheers
     
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    SAFE Pilots members get 30% off FF
     
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    I have the lifetime FlyQ and have no issues. Actually works.
     
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    Avare on android, free free free
     
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    I have that also, but it was lacking a few things that I wanted it to have. Step down altitudes was one.
     
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    How do they do it for free. Does it have advertising?
     
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    Volunteer pilot programmers.
     
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    I started with FlyQ and have a lifetime subscription. I ended up moving to Garmin Pilot and won't go back. FlyQ stays on my iPad updated as a backup....which I unfortunately had to use on Saturday as GP had introduced a bug in their last update that kept causing a crash. It's fixed now.
     
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    The best EFB is the one you know well. I tried foreflight and flyQ on iPad and a couple android ones. Was new to EFB altogether.
    Foreflight has a glide ring that's nice and the weather briefing I believe is better than flyQ. However, flyQ has more value for the price and I prefer the weather tools in flyQ for the flight planning portion. I fly IFR and picked up the lifetime subscription after a few months during a Thanksgiving sale. If you can afford, subscribe to both and pick the one you like more. Or save money and watch YouTube video tutorials to get a feel.
     
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    Cool. I’ll probably never use it because I’m an iPadian but a ‘thanks for sharing’ to them anyway.
     
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    I started with Foreflight and then moved over to FlyQ at the recommendation of a CFI. I used FlyQ for a few years, then noticed Foreflight had started making some serious additions/improvements to their offering (mostly to the IFR and performance-related stuff as others have mentioned). I ended up switching back to Foreflight based on some of this functionality and haven’t looked back. Every app has its pitfalls, but I’m happy switching back to FF.
     
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    I started with FlyQ and loved it - almost popped for the lifetime subscription.

    Then I replaced the avionics in my plane (dated back to the Clinton Administration) with a Garmin stack.

    FlyQ can't keep up and I moved to Garmin Pilot. Won't move back.
     
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    FWIW, I’m a Garmin Pilot fan. I’ve played around with FF, but like GP better.
     
  20. Warlock

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    Go to the ForeFlight booth and ask…They have a big presence there and happy to answer any questions…they also hold seminars on different subjects. I am biased as my Kid works for them but I have tried the rest and the basic subscription is just perfect for VFR and no issue IFR as well.
     
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    After a lengthy review at OSH a number of years ago, I went FlyQ and have been very happy.

    FlyQ just published the new 5.0 version today.
     
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    Very much this!
     
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    Speaking of EFB’s, what’s the status of WingX?

    @Scrabo? You were a fan of that once.
     
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    Both SAFE and NAFI have the discount.
     
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    FWIW, you don’t have to be a CFI to join NAFI. They have other discounts as well.

    https://nafi.memberclicks.net/benefits

    Cheers
     
  26. LesGawlik

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    I started with FlyQ back when it was the AOPA EFB. I bought the lifetime subscription. I think it would be best for VFR flight. There are some aspects of its display which are excellent. I bought Foreflight when I started IFR. FF is superior for IFR and more complicated flight planning. If taxiing involves going from the barn to the grass strip, you don't care much about taxi routes. If you're at an unfamiliar, complairport, the taxi route feature of FF is brilliant.
     
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    Club planes & moving around? An IPad mini, Garmin Pilot, then paired with a GDL-50 would allow easy Nav about anywhere. There are multiple ways to go about it, just an option.
     
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    As a CFI, literally 100% of my clients over the past 5 or so years have come with Foreflight already. That's at all levels of certificates and all manner of training (new ratings, refresher, etc.) That either says they have a great product or extremely good marketing...

    It's amazing how quick we forget that with as much capability as these EFBs have, that the cost is basically insignificant. Heck, where I learned to fly was near the corner of three sectionals. Even as a VFR pilot, I was buying 3 sectionals every 6 months. At today's prices, that's about $60 a year just for the sectionals - not including A/FD (Chart Supplement) and other products that FF and the other EFBs replace. In short, even the most expensive EFB package is a comparative bargain.

    I hope they do have a big presence this year. At Sun N Fun in April, they had a big booth, but no employees. Just a monitor advertising their products.
     
  29. Warlock

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    I have is on good authority FF will be there in full force…
     
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    Abandoned is a word that springs to mind, sadly.
     
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    Too bad. At one time it was a strong competitor
     
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    Sadly, I agree. Neck and neck with FF for years and then seemed to give up the fight.

    For the past several years, Hilton has been actively involved in developing an app, based on WingX, for the DoD.
     
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    I will keep using it while he supports the cycle updates. Pity the Android version really never got the same features as iOS but I have it as a backup for when the iPad overheats .

    When Hilton added the new mapping engine a few years ago, I had hopes that vector maps would be far behind
     
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    Although I get it free as a CFI, it's been gone for a while from both my iPad and my Android phone. "The Android version really never got the same features" is an understatement. It's cripplewear. Even free, I don't find it suitable for a backup.
     
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    I have FlyQ with a lifetime subscription. I’m basically a contrarian and saw benefits to its simple and efficient user interface especially during real-time flight for both IFR and VFR. I also hated that one was locked into the Garmin and, at the time, Appareo adsb receiver compatibility while shunning open source development solutions, which FlyQ embraced. Appareo has since changed. I also thought that Seattle Avionics was large enough to overcome some of the uncertainty in a very competitive EFB environment. So far, I was right about that (WingX). I was a bit concerned about Seattle Avionics sale recently, ( similar to Boeing’s acquisition of FF). However, as was recently demonstrated by version 6.0, the development continues to make FlyQ stellar with its very readable vector maps and airspace visual and verbal enunciations and worldwide applicability. I am very happy with this EFB.
     
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    I too am quite happy with FlyQ. I only got a 3 year sale to hedge my bets, but probably should have gotten the lifetime.
    I would like a glide advisor, but now that I have a Bluetooth headset, the voice annunciation will be quite nice to have.
     
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    FlyQ's vector maps might just get me to renew
     
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    I’ve had ForeFlight since the beginning and like it. Good thing since my stratus 2S and 2I won’t work with anything else.

    I’ve looked at FlyQ but since it would require me to change my AddsB in device it’s not an option for me as long as ForeFlight keeps making me happy.

    One thing you have to give ForeFlight credit for is their fantastic support. Email them a question and you will get the fastest response of any company I’ve done business with.

    As a recent example, I emailed a suggestion in late May or early June that they show density altitude on their weather pages for an airport. I got a same day response saying that they’d submit my suggestion and for consideration in a future upgrade. I figured that I shouldn’t hold my breath.

    They now show density altitude on their Metar page and on their ‘daily’ summary page. I never expected the change to hit on their next monthly upgrade. I can now drop the third party app I was using to get the density altitude (too lazy to calculate it myself).

    gary