Flu shot? shingles

Discussion in 'Medical Topics' started by saddletramp, Dec 15, 2017.

  1. neilw2

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    Just cruising this thread a thought occurred to me... It always amazes me how people who have no real working knowledge of something can act as an authority and have such strong opinions....Maybe a pilot forum isn't the best place to get info on vaccines.

    Like some others have said the best place to ask these questions is in your MD's office or at the pharmacy. Health care's main model of care has changed a lot lately. They try to encourage more of a team approach to patient's decision making- with the patient being the center of that decision team. It's called patient centered medical care.

    A good provider should (and will) be able to show you hard medical facts based on studies or statistics that show the actual value/risk benefit for any medicine or procedure.

    I will boil down some of the simple truths about the Flu/Flu shots:
    -You cannot get the Flu from the flu vaccines
    -Like others have said, they use statistics and trends to "guess" what exact strains are in the vaccine based on what they think will be around year to year. Even if they strike out and it's not as effective as it could have been it is much more effective than nothing
    -Influenza kills about 5,000 people a year. True, mostly old or young. But you can certainly transmit
    -Flu, even though it probably wont kill you if your in relatively good health, is not fun and causes you to waist a lot of time being sick
    -The flu shot is really, really safe and their are minimal side effects

    I could do similar fact stating for the shingles vaccines but you probably get my point. Talk to your MD or pharmacist. That's why they are there and what they get paid to do. If they seem not to take your questions seriously or don't answer satisfactory then it's time to find a new MD or pharmacy.
     
  2. Rushie

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    Of course the flu can kill. We all know about the pandemic of 1918. That was a century ago and it hasn't recurred but it could at any time. But the odds of it occurring any one year are pretty low. Then there is the odds your scientists will guess which of the ever changing strains will be the big one. It's far from guaranteed your flu vac would even do anything against the big one if it comes. But consider this, every year close to an equal number of people dies in the U.S. from cancer as died in the U.S. during the once in a century flu pandemic. Which are you more worried about?

    The 1918 flu was an anomaly in more ways than one. Unlike normal flu it tended to kill young, healthy adults. So if our vaccination program focuses on protecting the elderly, we might be targeting the wrong population anyway if another monster flu is what we fear.

    If normal flu is what we fear, look at the actual protection you are getting. It depends on whether the flu going around your particular community is the strain they used for the vaccine. Here is some factual information about its effectiveness:

    http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/09/why-flu-vaccines-so-often-fail

    But here is the glaring piece all of you are ignoring: Oppotunity Lost. When we spend millions on a program with mediocre at best effectiveness, that money is not being used for something that would give us much better benefit.

    Some of you keep saying the shot is free or almost. You know better than that. The cost is going into your high insurance premiums for one thing.

    I'm not an anti-vac nut. But I pick my vaccines with care. I don't appreciate public policy transferring money from my pockets to big pharma or corrupt government officials, based on mediocre results, INSTEAD of letting me keep that money to maybe buy healthier food to avoid diabetes for example (a much bigger threat to me than the flu) or at the very least if you want to push public agenda, taking that money to spend on a more beneficial policy like finding a cure for cancer - again, a much bigger threat to me than the flu. Look at the bigger picture, people.
     
  3. Norman

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    I got my flu shot in early November and haven't felt good since. Never had that happen before.
     
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    It can. Or it can cause permanent pain or parathesia along the affected nerve branch. The vaccine supposedly reduces the chance of that.
     
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    I had shingles at age 43. I never want that again. 14 years later I still have numbness in the area I had this. But I had a really bad case.
     
  6. murphey

    murphey Final Approach PoA Supporter

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    Most grocery stores with pharmacy offer the flu shot along with many others.
     
  7. weilke

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    All else being equal, being vaccinated against the flu decreases your likelihood of dying from it by 52-79%. Your risk of ending up in the ICU is reduced by 37%. So even if you 'failed' the flu vaccine (in the sense of having contracted an influenza like illness despite being vaccinated), there is still a beneficial effect to be had.

    Clin Infect Dis. 2017 Oct 15;65(8):1289-1297
     
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    Some insurance plans don't pay for the flu shot if it is provided as a pharmacy service rather than a medical service. So if you get the shot at the grocery store, make sure they run a pre-approval before you get the shot.
    In our county the health department offers free flu shots. You just have to make the time to go there.
     
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    I don't like getting the flu vaccination because I get autistic and start acting like Rainman for a week or so after the shot. It doesn't really bother me, but my passengers start freaking out when I have a conniption fit because Judge Wapner isn't showing anymore.
     
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    People tend to believe that which confirms their already preconceived idea and reject facts and opinions that don't conform to their mindset. Its documented phenomenon that underlies much of the anti-science seen in our society.
     
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    Almost as bad: my mom had shingles on her butt and privates. It was in her last year and I believe the experience hastened her decline. I haven't had a shot for it yet as it isn't covered on my insurance, but plan to get it once the new vaccine is available.

    The flu shot, on the other hand, I get every year. Even if it's less than 100% effective, it's free on my insurance (one of the few things that is) and there is absolutely no downside. Someone mentioned Guillain-Barre but that is an extremely rare complication.
     
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