Flow + Checklist or just Checklist?

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  1. CC268

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    Just curious to hear what people do regarding simulated emergency descents/engine fires/engine failure.

    Do you do a flow and then backup with the checklist or do you just go straight to the checklist?

    For the DPEs out there, what method do you prefer to see?
     
  2. mscard88

    mscard88 Ejection Handle Pulled

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    I teach flows, then backup with the checklist. Dependin* on altitude you may not have time to run a checklist, so you have to memorize the first few steps. Not all all difficult to do.
     
  3. CC268

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    That is what I've always done. Flows + checklist. Cause I agree...depending on the situation you may not have time to whip out a checklist and start going through it
     
  4. Let'sgoflying!

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    For situations in which you don't have the luxury of time, they become "Memory Items".
     
  5. CC268

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    Yea...that's how this school does it - they have a black box around the "memory items".
     
  6. Cooter

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    I’m not an aircraft owner but if I was, I would probably create a memory items list that I got very familiar with. With EPs that require immediate action, it is just as important to understand why you’re doing it as it is to memorize it.
     
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  7. CC268

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    Yea I bought one of the cockpit posters and hung it on the wall...been practicing the emergency procedures flow for the commercial ride...
     
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    I've had several "non" emergency emergencies. The checklist never had a solution. It is best to know the systems!!

    Think "Swissair 111!"
     
  9. CC268

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    Oh I know the systems alright...I probably spent 25% of my studying on the 172S systems, G1000, etc.
     
  10. Velocity173

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    Engine failure or fires are really immediate action steps or what the military calls “bold face” or “underlined” steps. Should have them commited to memory and then when time permits, back it up with the checklist.

    “Transmission Chip” would probably be a good EP to have memorized also. :)
     
  11. CC268

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    What’s a transmission chip?
     
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    A ferrous particle has attached itself to a chip magnet inside the transmission. That particle completes a circuit and results in a coresponding light in the cockpit. Could mean the transmission is coming from together.

    Obviously not something you need to worry about in your C172 but if one day you see a helicopter land in your backyard, don’t be surprised if they have a XSMN chip, or ENG chip for that matter. Give them a cold, preferably alcoholic beverage if you have one.;)
     
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    Go with the flow,checklist after if time permits
     
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    A checklist without a flow is a “do List”.
     
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    Flows and memory items, checklist if time allows.
     
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    idahoflier Pre-takeoff checklist

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    If you're asking for your upcoming flight check, just ask the DPE you're planning to use. That might even save you from having a simulated emergency on the ride because (s)he already knows you're going to demonstrate what they want to see...
     
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    Flow + checklist. Apparently the very first thing to get lost in the rush and mental agitation of an emergency is the nice flow you've developed.

    Perhaps obviously, some things happen so quickly that there is no time for a checklist, but not most things.
     
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  18. Walboy

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    Here's your answer for your upcoming checkride on page A-17 of the commercial ACS:

    "In some situations, reading the actual checklist may be impractical or unsafe. In such cases, the evaluator should assess the applicant's performance of published or recommended immediate action "memory" items along with his or her review of the appropriate checklist once conditions permit."

    Do NOT ask the DPE what he/she wants to see...this is about you being in command of the airplane.
     
  19. Kritchlow

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    Agreed if emergency situation, but not normal situation.

    Perhaps I misread the OP.

    ETA: I did indeed misread the op, and do agree with your post.
     
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    But... your flows (memory items) should be the first two or three items on the checklist, usually bolded or boxed.
    If not, than my guess is the manufacturer considers them as a “do list”, not memory items.
     
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  21. CC268

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    Yea you are correct that the memory items are the first few items on the checklist.
     
  22. Aaron Trueblood

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    I'm a student pilot but I would say most definitely fly the airplane first. Know the important items of the checklist and do those from memory. After the initial action and things "calm" down; then run the checklist