Flight Academy not willing to see instructors beforehand

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  1. Landing Fees

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    Why would a guy give up his name so that you can call his boss or his wife and whine about how he hurt your feelz on POA. I won't even tell you my dog's name. You guys are funny. I need some bacon after all of this.
     
  2. Landing Fees

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    Biggest thing I ever flew was an AeroCommander till I got into a "real level D sim" (I'm changing my logbook to "real level D") and learned to fly the 777 and 320. I am pretty amazing now if anybody wants my real name so they can call my boss or wife and complain about me.
     
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    Reading comprehension a problem for you? I think if you read what I posted I said 200. An instructor staff of 35 or 200 hundred students is not an exceptionally large school in a metropolitan area. There are Aero clubs in the US with those numbers.
     
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    You are argumentative and make snap judgements of other people on this forum constantly; that was my first impression when I joined the forum back in February, you reinforced it many times over, and you are reinforcing it in this thread. You are argumentative simply because.. you are. There's SOME of that in most people. You have opinions and views that you feel strongly about, and voicing them is a good thing. Making assumptions about others does a disservice to both the people you are disparaging and you. Unfortunately, it also invites returned attacks aimed at you.

    My view is that operating a flight school or FBO is no different than any other business. Accommodate customer requests and wishes whenever possible and feasible, and you'll do well. Treat customers with disdain, talk down to them, or view them as replaceable, and eventually you'll run out of replacements.
     
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    Not me, must be for you though.

    I started off by saying, “I may be mistaken”. I didn’t bother going back through all the post but I thought I saw those numbers.

    Regardless, why the big secret about your school? I would think you’d be proud of it.

    EDIT: So I went back through all the pages and found this on page 2.
    "There are 200 students at the school"

    So correcting my math for 200, instead of 300, that's 28.571 instructors.

    Which means there's still no way we could know which one you are, but it also lowers that potential .857 down to .571.
     
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    Well since reading comprehension is an issue for you, I stated we have 200 students and I really did not know how many students each instructor had.

    As I stated before, where I work is none of your business. Now, if you desire flight instruction and would like a recommendation in your geographic area, send me a PM and I will be glad to provide you with recommendations.
     
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    I never asked for his name. I'm not in need of a CFI.
     
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    I regularly flew 100+ hours a month as a full time CFI at a part 61 school. I was usually the first CFI in and last CFI out and 12 or 14 hour days were the norm. If a potential student wanted to to chat for a few minutes, I’d be more than willing to show them around, talk about a training plan, etc. That’s just a good way of doing business IMO. We didn’t have any contract or international students so all of our students were word of mouth, recommendations, or saw us online. If we didn’t take the time to talk to potential customers, we wouldn’t have any. No one wants to come in and feel neglected. Why would a potential student, who is going to invest $10-15K put up with an unwelcome attitude.

    edit: I do understand where @Clip4 is coming from. I assume he’s at a big box 141 school with international contract students (apologies if that’s not the case). Those schools operating WAY differently than Average Joe’s flight school. They don’t really need to rely on “regular” students for their operation since they are getting a steady stream of international airline cadet students. So doing meet and greets is not on the top of their list of important things to accomplish.
     
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    Well I can see where this is going, so this is the last time I'll post this since some one here does have an issue with reading comprehension.

    Not me, must be for you though.

    I started off by saying, “I may be mistaken”. I didn’t bother going back through all the post but I thought I saw those numbers.
     
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    But this thread is so much fun! I’m reminded of the old New Yorker cartoon with the caption “on the internet, no one knows you’re a dog”
     
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    So you make mistakes on what you read, then challenge me to defend something I never said and want to know where I work. I think now you understand now why I am not going to give you that information.
     
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    We're talking to the one and only, the self aggrandizing, solipsistic, infamous and highly sought after instructor in a top notch flight school, @Clip4.

    Ignoramus function! They should rename it that.
     
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    Or maybe with a photo of a dog on your page we do, LOL.
     
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    This thread has turned into a train wreck.
     
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    Yeah, I made a mistake on the number, so what? I already said that.

    Look, I don't give a crap where you work, who you are or how great you think you are.

    I posted my comment in response to your diatribe with @Doc Holliday. He's the one who asked. I merely pointed out that with all those instructors there's no way anyone could figure out who you were, so why not tell him the name of the school?

    You're the one who came on here telling everyone how great you are and how great the place you work at is. Those things may be or may not be true. But when you make comments like that, people are going to want to know where this place is. No one here has asked you your name, so get over yourself.

    How's that for reading comprehension?
     
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    Same could be said about doc, that’s a dude who drank his own kool-aid
     
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    I've noticed a hand full on here. They're pretty easy to spot.

    I'm just waiting for Clip4 to find his dictionary so he can respond.

    EDIT: Just to clarify, by handful I mean count on one hand (or less)
     
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    Except that Doc has demonstrably helped a huge number of people accomplish things they very well may have not been able to accomplish without his help. Doc Bruce personally helped me out years ago, donating about an hour of his time via Skype, reviewed a packet of my records, recommended a course of action that was successful, and kept me in the air... and would only accept a heartfelt "thank you" in return. LOTS of folks on this board, I'm sure, have had similar experiences and are similarly grateful to him. If Clip4 has done similarly benevolent things, it isn't evident here. Sometimes confidence and a healthy ego are earned... sometimes they become unhealthy or are unearned. I've never met or talked w/ Clip4, so I have no evidence from which to form an opinion other than his posts. We'll let it lie there.
     
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    I m sure I am kind of a naïve old fashioned person or maybe it's the way I was raised in Texas, where you word was considered to mean something, and I haven't spent much time in NYC learning to con people, but when I started on the first internet forum, I used my name, my actual name, and it really never occurred to me to use an alias and try to be a secret person. And when I write for a magazine or letter to the newspaper I use my name also.
    I don't think I have ever met another pilot in 40 years of flying who was ashamed to tell you where he taught If a CFI or which airline he flys for, ,but that is of course his right.
    Perhaps he sees himself as a sort of a vending machine for flying, that is the student puts his $12,000 ( or is it $21,000) in the slot and out comes a pilot certificate. No personal interaction is required, no respect is developed and certainly no friendship, don't have time for that. Maybe there are flight schools where that is the norm.
     
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    Though I’m not as much of a Bruce fan as others, that wasn’t the doc I was talking about :)
     
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    Ashamed? Huh?

    It just has to do with not putting too much info
    out there when there isn’t a good return on investment for it.
     
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    lol... Oooops. Apologies, James. You were taking Doc Bruce to task for his thoughts on icing in another thread, and I jumped to "contusions." My fault.
     
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    I hate when that happens.
     
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    Yeah... it makes for a painful end to the jump...
     
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    As I said, I may be naïve, but if I met someone at Oshkosh and they introduced themselves. I would also and I 'd use my name. I never lived or worked in an environment, where I had to evaluate "return on investment" before meeting someone. And Im dam glad I don't live like that day to day.
     
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    You equate interwebz forums to meeting real people? I don’t know if I should laugh or cry for you.


    ?

    I just asked what his experience with ice has been, on a subject about icing
     
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    In his defense, at least for me, and I hope others on here, we'd like to think of this as more than just the 'interwebz'. We'd like to think of this as a community, with the very real possibility of one day getting to meet each other and meeting new friends with the same interests. I have been fortunate in my short time here to meet one other user personally. I appreciate that.

    When I first started posting on here, I used to sign all my posts with my name. I only stopped doing it because I noticed that almost no one else does and I didn't want everyone thinking I was weird.

    PJ
     
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    Never mind
     
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    Now that Clark, Mari & Mark (and a few others) are no longer based in Colorado (altho we still consider them as locals), we don't have as many POA lunches as before. There are over 40 POA'ers that are in Colorado, at last count. I think the last one meet was when a few of us met Mark & the Monkey for lunch at Jeffco.
     
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    I feel the same way personally but airlines are very explicit that I do not represent them publicly, especially on social media, without their explicit consent. Well the three I have worked for... can’t speak for all of them. Would they care if I identified myself on this forum as an employee? Probably not... do I desire to test out their intended application of the policy so people on this forum find me more credible? Not a chance in hell.

    Edit: regardless of how I feel about someone or something they have said on this forum I don’t judge folks for remaining anonymous.
     
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    The poster, did not claim to be an airline employee, rather that he is a CFI and we were talking about practice directly related to that and his flight school if in fact there is one. Its different than saying everyone at Jet Blue backs Airbus or votes for tariffs.
     
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    I was thinking more along the line of my flight instructor can beat up your flight instructor.. :lol::lol:
     
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    Man, this thread is loaded with posters grilling other posters about their credentials, experience, qualifications, their employers' names... almost like... almost.... like.... some sort of CFI interview, ay?

    Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    There's a ten year hole in my log book. I'd left the employ of the Army (which had a nice aero club) and never got around to getting checked out somewhere else. Then I decided enough was enough and went to a larger local airport that had probably six different rental/training operations going. I wasn't impressed with the counter help at the first one, nor the second one who seemed to spend a lot of time dissing the others rather than explaining what they would do. The third one immediately grabbed me an instructor and she explained just what she would put me through to get me current again. Sounded fair and reasonable and we flew three times and we were mutually happy and got my BFR signed off as well as "checked out" to rent the aircraft solo.

    Unless you've got an operation that's "the only game in town," you and your instructors will have to probably do some work to entice a savvy student.
     
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    @flyingron your story reminds me of when I first started training for my pilot's license.

    I went to several flight schools, and spoke with managers from each. Each one loved to say how they were better than the others. The last flight school I went to didn't tell me a thing about how they were better, but instead, the manager only said, "You ever been up in a small plane?" When I said no he grabbed some keys and said, "C'mon." He took me up for an hour (free of charge). When we landed and returned to the school, he introduced me to a CFI nearby. The guy seemed knowledgeable and friendly, and asked me as many questions as I asked him.

    Guess which school I chose.
     
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    Around here cows may come and cows may go but the bull goes on forever!:D
     
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    The one where you got free stuff like all the cheap pilots on the forum, just like the OP who wanted free ground for a few hours before deciding not to got there. I hear he wanted a sign-off for the written too.
     
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