FL190 in a C172

reminds me of that old joke (and modifying it for this thread), David checks in with approach at FL190 and it's clear that he's in a C-172. Someone on the radio cracks "What's a C-172 doing at FL190?"












"struggling"
 
Frankly I would not do this at Vy in my Mooney. I wouldn't like the oil temps.
 
Frankly I would not do this at Vy in my Mooney. I wouldn't like the oil temps.

My Commander is turbo so it'll get there. From experience, though, I need to maintain indicated airspeed at/above 100 to keep the temps (oil and carb) reasonable.
 
I took a 160 HP 172 to 14,000 ft once...I was lighter back then...and it had no problems getting there and was still climbing strong.
 
I took a 160 HP 172 to 14,000 ft once...I was lighter back then...and it had no problems getting there and was still climbing strong.
Likewise. This was about 20 years ago, when my 172N has its original, somewhat tired O-320-H2AD:

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For those unclear on the concept :^)

14,000 < 14,500 << 19,000 in the south with high density altitude! :^)

LOL
 
So I wrote someone about this with questions since now I kinda sorta want to try it - up to 17,500 of course.

This was my email:

So I read about a pilot flying a 1966 Skyhawk to 19,000 feet.


My question is - though I would probably never try this (due to the fact I'm VFR I would have to stop at 17,500):


Though you do go slower, what is the harm in seeing how high your airplane can go? Oil temperatures, etc? I don't think even to Tahoe one would need to bring the 172 that I rent anywhere near those heights.


When climbing for that long is it better to level off a few times so that the engine is not at full power for so long?


Just curious. Things also look pretty up there. He had an impressive ground speed, too.


Kimberly

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This was the response:

No harm on seeing how high can go. And yes 17,500 is the highest you can go VFR.


Step Climb....it depends of CHT and oil temp. If the engine is heating up I would step climb. If it is not I just keep climbing at climb power setting. Also I would climb at Vy.


Tahoe is no problem going there.
Taking off or doing a go-around is where the problem lays if it is a hot day.
I plan my take off in the early morning or late afternoon. Also you will need to lean engine for take off and with the UBG-16 Engine Analyzer it makes it a whole lot simpler.
 
Oxygen is number one, of course. Be very aware of your oxygen supply and flow.

Be very aware that you're playing with fire at those altitudes. O2 stops, you don't have much time with useful consciousness. Are you prepared to make an emergency descent of 5000' or so in a minute without taking the aircraft past Vne?

Calculate time to climb from your POH. Also calculate distance. It's going to take a long time and a lot of gas to get up there. You're also going to cover a lot of ground.

After that, calculate a reasonable descent. Something 1000'/min or lower to take it easy on your ears.

Tahoe shouldn't be a problem. Do a density altitude calculation though and run all the other numbers from it. It's mountain flying.

If you depart south, can you climb straight out and clear the rocks, or will you have to circle in the valley to gain altitude? What's your navigation plan? What direction is lower terrain? Stuff to think about.

Leaning is what we do here for every flight. Check your POH for high altitude leaning. Most Cessnas will say lean for maximum power at full throttle above 6500' DA.

Full throttle run-ups are hard on props when they suck up crud, so the usual procedure here unless you know you need every last ounce of engine power is to lean to peak during the run-up (lower RPM than full power) and then twist the mixture two half-turns in.

If its warm out, you'll likely be doing the equivalent of a takeoff at 7500-8500' DA easily higher.

Calculate takeoff distance and then note a runway marking or landmark that will tell you if the airplane is really performing to spec and realize it'll feel like a long long roll.

Let it roll and keep accelerating. It takes a lot of air molecules going over that wing to lift yer butt, and there aren't as many of them up there.

If you pass your spot and the aircraft isn't performing right, stop. Remember you have basically go-kart brakes and they're going to get hot. Get slowed up but don't lock a tire. You are rolling much faster over the ground than usual.

(Note: This applies to your arrival landing too. Just roll out. And groundspeed will look faster. Nail your approach speed with the ASI and don't slow the view out the window down much to try to make it look like a landing at home. ASI is key. Don't try to stop the thing in distances that seem normal at sea level. Again, do the POH calculation for landing distance using the DA temperature at your expected time of arrival. Look at a weather forecast that has "hour by hour" temperatures online for the day and use the hotter one if you're arriving in the half hour.)

Then lift off at the appropriate indicated airspeed. Don't "pad" it. The ASI is seeing the right number of air molecules crammed down the pitot tube.

Try to arrive/depart when it's cool. Even small temperature changes make a significant difference in DA.

As someone mentioned, climb will be slow. A go-around can sucker you into pulling too hard... Just pull to set Vy (or Vx) AMD trim it. Give it time and distance to climb. Look up the change in Vx for altitude.

Don't forget to turn the O2 off when you don't need it. Gets spendy pumping O2 into the cabin that you don't need. Flip side, make sure the O2 is flowing before you need it on the way up.
 
I fly in the high teens all the time.

NO reason not to have a pulse oximeter and use it. It's the only way to really know if you're OK. They're $25 on Amazon.
 
Oxygen is number one, of course. Be very aware of your oxygen supply and flow.

Be very aware that you're playing with fire at those altitudes. O2 stops, you don't have much time with useful consciousness. Are you prepared to make an emergency descent of 5000' or so in a minute without taking the aircraft past Vne?

Calculate time to climb from your POH. Also calculate distance. It's going to take a long time and a lot of gas to get up there. You're also going to cover a lot of ground.

After that, calculate a reasonable descent. Something 1000'/min or lower to take it easy on your ears.

Tahoe shouldn't be a problem. Do a density altitude calculation though and run all the other numbers from it. It's mountain flying.

If you depart south, can you climb straight out and clear the rocks, or will you have to circle in the valley to gain altitude? What's your navigation plan? What direction is lower terrain? Stuff to think about.

Leaning is what we do here for every flight. Check your POH for high altitude leaning. Most Cessnas will say lean for maximum power at full throttle above 6500' DA.

Full throttle run-ups are hard on props when they suck up crud, so the usual procedure here unless you know you need every last ounce of engine power is to lean to peak during the run-up (lower RPM than full power) and then twist the mixture two half-turns in.

If its warm out, you'll likely be doing the equivalent of a takeoff at 7500-8500' DA easily higher.

Calculate takeoff distance and then note a runway marking or landmark that will tell you if the airplane is really performing to spec and realize it'll feel like a long long roll.

Let it roll and keep accelerating. It takes a lot of air molecules going over that wing to lift yer butt, and there aren't as many of them up there.

If you pass your spot and the aircraft isn't performing right, stop. Remember you have basically go-kart brakes and they're going to get hot. Get slowed up but don't lock a tire. You are rolling much faster over the ground than usual.

(Note: This applies to your arrival landing too. Just roll out. And groundspeed will look faster. Nail your approach speed with the ASI and don't slow the view out the window down much to try to make it look like a landing at home. ASI is key. Don't try to stop the thing in distances that seem normal at sea level. Again, do the POH calculation for landing distance using the DA temperature at your expected time of arrival. Look at a weather forecast that has "hour by hour" temperatures online for the day and use the hotter one if you're arriving in the half hour.)

Then lift off at the appropriate indicated airspeed. Don't "pad" it. The ASI is seeing the right number of air molecules crammed down the pitot tube.

Try to arrive/depart when it's cool. Even small temperature changes make a significant difference in DA.

As someone mentioned, climb will be slow. A go-around can sucker you into pulling too hard... Just pull to set Vy (or Vx) AMD trim it. Give it time and distance to climb. Look up the change in Vx for altitude.

Don't forget to turn the O2 off when you don't need it. Gets spendy pumping O2 into the cabin that you don't need. Flip side, make sure the O2 is flowing before you need it on the way up.

Man, you mean I've been doin it all wrong for the last quarter century. I give it full throttle point the nose up until it won't climb any more. When the throttle is all the way in and the mixture is all the way out, I'm there!
 
Man, you mean I've been doin it all wrong for the last quarter century. I give it full throttle point the nose up until it won't climb any more. When the throttle is all the way in and the mixture is all the way out, I'm there!

:rofl: :yeahthat:
 
I fly in the high teens all the time.

NO reason not to have a pulse oximeter and use it. It's the only way to really know if you're OK. They're $25 on Amazon.

Not sure I'd trust a $25 unit, but otherwise I agree with you completely. PulseOx is essential.
 
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