FL190 in a C172

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Those of you on FB, go check out David's post and picture! AWESOME.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N1161F/history/20120619/1700Z/KABQ/F82/tracklog

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...99361524368.2087479.1247804014&type=1&theater

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At least he now knows the REAL service ceiling. :yes: :thumbsup:
 

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Bravo! I really like (aka, I'm very jealous) that he's taking advantage of the ability to see and experience much of this world before "adult" responsibilities anchor him down!
 
Holy cow, I wonder how high mine can go. And where I can rent oxygen. And how long it would take me to climb to 19,000 feet.

EDIT - I can't go that high, not instrument rated.
 
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I am guessing he was heading west to east and the mountains gave his a huge lift..:dunno:
 
How does the alpha clearance work for that?
 
N801BH said:
Hmmm.. I see that now.... and 155 mph ground speed while climbing to 19,000 from 18,600 @ 240 fpm is really impressive too.:yesnod::)
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Those older 172s (1966 for David's, I think) are significantly lower weight than the newer ones. And David weighs as much as a swollen grape.
 
kimberlyanne546 said:
Holy cow, I wonder how high mine can go. And where I can rent oxygen. And how long it would take me to climb to 19,000 feet.

EDIT - I can't go that high, not instrument rated.
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you can't rent Oxygen you might be able to rent the tank though:wink2:

You'll get the IR one day.
 
kimberlyanne546 said:
Holy cow, I wonder how high mine can go. And where I can rent oxygen. And how long it would take me to climb to 19,000 feet.

EDIT - I can't go that high, not instrument rated.
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There is no requirement for an IR really, just a clearance same as class B. I took my Travelair on the high climb before I was IR.
 
Gonna go for the RVSM kit next
 
Haha that's awesome. I remember taking a 152 up to 11k as a PPL and thinking that felt pretty uncomfortable. Wonder what 190 feels like in a slightly more powerful light cessna.....
 
Henning said:
There is no requirement for an IR really, just a clearance same as class B. I took my Travelair on the high climb before I was IR.
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91.135 says nay-nay, nowadays.

"Except as provided in paragraph (d) of this section, each person operating an aircraft in Class A airspace must conduct that operation under instrument flight rules (IFR) and in compliance with the following: ..."

Unless you submitted your request 4 days in advance in writing...

"(d) ATC authorizations. An operator may deviate from any provision of this section under the provisions of an ATC authorization issued by the ATC facility having jurisdiction of the airspace concerned. In the case of an inoperative transponder, ATC may immediately approve an operation within a Class A airspace area allowing flight to continue, if desired, to the airport of ultimate destination, including any intermediate stops, or to proceed to a place where suitable repairs can be made, or both. Requests for deviation from any provision of this section must be submitted in writing, at least 4 days before the proposed operation. ATC may authorize a deviation on a continuing basis or for an individual flight."

Airspace Table in 91.115 supports this.

91.905 supports that a waiver is available which was already clear in 91.135.

But...

David can say he's been up where Sport Pilots in LSAs aren't allowed to go. ;)

61.315(c)(6)

Nor Recreational Pilots... ;)

61.101(d)

And if you want to go up there after installing ADS-B Out, your gear has to meet a different set of specifications.

91.227

Nor Ultralights...

103.17

And if he had a collision avoidance system (ACAS) and it went off up there, it's a required immediate repot to the NTSB.

830.5

Radar Traffic callouts may not be declined.

AIM 4-1-15

ATC will not authorize VFR or VFR-on-top.

AIM 4-4-8 and AIM 5-5-13

Left out the Transponder stuff.
 
kimberlyanne546 said:
Holy cow, I wonder how high mine can go. And where I can rent oxygen. And how long it would take me to climb to 19,000 feet.

EDIT - I can't go that high, not instrument rated.
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Don't feel too bad about it. Even if I was instrument rated I couldn't go that high. At 8000 feet my Cardinal climbs at about 300-400 fpm. I hope someday to cross the Arizona desert in it at 12,000, but I haven't tried it yet so I don't know if I can even get that high. At higher than standard temps it may not be possible.
 
azure said:
Don't feel too bad about it. Even if I was instrument rated I couldn't go that high. At 8000 feet my Cardinal climbs at about 300-400 fpm. I hope someday to cross the Arizona desert in it at 12,000, but I haven't tried it yet so I don't know if I can even get that high. At higher than standard temps it may not be possible.
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Are you really leaning properly and climbing at the appropriate Vy? (varies with altitude and weight, will be lower than the sea level Vy)
 
I need to stop liking or commenting on David's posts on Facebook. My phone went off constantly last night notifying me that someone else posted about it :mad2:
 
CBeaulieu said:
I need to stop liking or commenting on David's posts on Facebook. My phone went off constantly last night notifying me that someone else posted about it :mad2:
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Mute. Or change your Facebook notification rules.

Sleep is valuable. Social isn't THAT important.
 
TangoWhiskey said:
Mute. Or change your Facebook notification rules.

Sleep is valuable. Social isn't THAT important.
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Heh, I should know what I'm getting into by now when i comment on one of his posts.

I just won't comment on them when I'm getting ready to go to bed. :D
 
Just shows me that how our perceptions can be so limiting. I too wouldn't have guessed a 172 could get that high.

Good lesson for me in that picture, thanks.
 
Even if it could get there, am I legally prohibited from taking 4SP up there? The book says the ceiling is 14,000.
 
David that is exceptionally cool. I was once at FL210 in Adam Bezanson's (A2) Trinnie but it was also a turbo charged bird. Its like your the only one in the sky. Cold has heck too.

I'm curious
1. how long was the climb and at what rate?
2. how much fuel did you burn in the climb?
You must have had the mixture knob almost all the way out.
 
pericynthion said:
Are you really leaning properly and climbing at the appropriate Vy? (varies with altitude and weight, will be lower than the sea level Vy)
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Well I use Mike Busch's method of leaning to keep the leanest cylinder's EGT constant, at least while keeping an eye on the CHT as well. But it has to be very hot (maybe like today) before I need to be richer to keep CHTs down.

If I set the A/P for a 500 fpm climb, somewhere between 6000 and 7000 feet it starts nagging me more often to trim up, and pretty soon I can't make it happy and my airspeed edges toward the bottom of the green arc. I'm pretty sure that at that point I'm below Vy for that altitude.

Cardinal RG is really a dog at altitude. Sometimes I wish I'd bought that T182RG... then I think about the insurance and mx costs. :(
 
Skylane81E said:
I'm only good to 20k, as thats where my xpnder cal goes to.
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Some planes have a Maximum Authorized Altitude in the type certificate & AFM rather than service ceiling. Irrespective of the transponder cal....
 
azure said:
If I set the A/P for a 500 fpm climb, somewhere between 6000 and 7000 feet it starts nagging me more often to trim up, and pretty soon I can't make it happy and my airspeed edges toward the bottom of the green arc. I'm pretty sure that at that point I'm below Vy for that altitude.

Cardinal RG is really a dog at altitude. Sometimes I wish I'd bought that T182RG... then I think about the insurance and mx costs. :(
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Find out what your Vy is.. and also remember to keep the ball centered with rudder.
 
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