Do you check for unusable airway segments prior before you accept an IFR full route clearance?

[midlifeflyer]

I was wondering the same thing. I very rarely have the en-route chart up, so not sure I'd even be aware it was there, unless I was on my filed route. In the OP's scenario, I'd see it when I filed, but if I got an amended route after engine start, I would not have thought to check it beyond looking at a very zoomed out view to see if it had a major change from the original route to see if it impacted fuel planning or arrival time.
I'd be really curious if a controller has visibility to that segment being unusable.

I've heard of controllers being unaware of airways being removed completely. Our people who fly the northeast corridor might be able to tell us about this.

For those who don't know, V16 was THE route up the Northeast corridor. Pretty much from about Richmond, VA up to Boston. After T-Routes around the Washington DC area (which are in fact used) were created, V16 was deleted except for a segment running through the triple NY Bravos. At least in the immediate aftermath of the deletion, controllers were still clearing the route.

 

[flyingcheesehead]

Is it still common for an airway to be part of your clearance even if you're /G ? I'm trying to remember a time I got one and I'm coming up with nothing. I pretty much always just file direct and occasionally I'll get a waypoint or vector to route me around something.

That is a luxury we have in the Midwest, provided we avoid Chicago (I file T265 a LOT). But if you go to the Northeast, you'll nearly always get an airway starting somewhere in PA or so.

 

[Hang 4]

For those who don't know, V16 was THE route up the Northeast corridor. Pretty much from about Richmond, VA up to Boston. After T-Routes around the Washington DC area (which are in fact used) were created, V16 was deleted except for a segment running through the triple NY Bravos. At least in the immediate aftermath of the deletion, controllers were still clearing the route.

That was the cause of one of my many re-routes in the NE. Next time I filed the T instead. Still got multiple re-routes. I'm really good at copying complex clearances while flying now.

 

[midlifeflyer]

That was the cause of one of my many re-routes in the NE. Next time I filed the T instead. Still got multiple re-routes. I'm really good at copying complex clearances while flying now.

Funny, I've been very lucky with the DC T-Routes. Seems Potomac really likes them. The only reroute I've received have been after leaving their jurisdiction. (I don't count a vector or shortcut that doesn't generate an "I have an amendment .." by ATC as a reroute.)

 

[Hang 4]

Funny, I've been very lucky with the DC T-Routes. Seems Potomac really likes them. The only reroute I've received have been after leaving their jurisdiction. (I don't count a vector or shortcut that doesn't generate an "I have an amendment .." by ATC as a reroute.)

Most of my issues seem to be NY TRACON based. I get them while in the DC area going northbound, but they are all related the airways in NY/NJ and into New England. Going south, once I'm handed to McGuire, the only change I get are "do you want to just go direct?"

 

[John Collins]

When an airway segment is unusable, an MEA is not established, nor is one published, so the MIA or MVA is required to be used. If there is a T route over the same track, it may be used by GPS equipped aircraft, as it will have a published G MEA. So a clearance along a victor airway segment that is "unusable" can be flown as a point to point route using GPS with ATC being responsible for assigning an altitude at or above the MIA/MVA. IMHO, the FAA should remove any airway through the regulatory process and replace the route segment with a T route if still needed. These "unusable" victor airway segments are charted for years without any attempt to ever fix the issue.

 

[chemgeek]

Is it still common for an airway to be part of your clearance even if you're /G ? I'm trying to remember a time I got one and I'm coming up with nothing. I pretty much always just file direct and occasionally I'll get a waypoint or vector to route me around something.

Yeah. But I usually get turned loose direct at some point unless it is very congested airspace.