Do Not Call list enforcement petition

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Palmpilot

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So....lemme get this right, the "do not call" list.....doesn't return calls?:eek::lol::rofl::lol:
 
With the proliferation of VoIP providers, the "do not call" list turns increasingly into a joke, and there's nothing anyone can do about it. Least of all the government. Might as well launch a petition to Obama to kill all Canadians, for example. It just isn't possible outside of a delirious fantasy world.
 
The good thing is that telephone technology is basically on its outs now. No one but dinosaurs (and I suppose those stuck with wet-DSL as an ISP) has a land-line, and even cellphones are used more for data consumption than voice calling.

Video calling is my preferred method of communication at work, and text message for nearly everything else. If I use more than 10 minutes a month on my voice plan I'd be surprised. Its only a matter of time before voice calls go the way of the telegraph.
 
zaitcev said:
With the proliferation of VoIP providers, the "do not call" list turns increasingly into a joke, and there's nothing anyone can do about it. Least of all the government. Might as well launch a petition to Obama to kill all Canadians, for example. It just isn't possible outside of a delirious fantasy world.
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I believe that laws should either be enforced, or taken off the books.
 
I chuckle at the youngsters who think I will read and respond to their emails or texts within an hour. I'll peek at it and see if it is something outside of your control (like a system outage) and if it isn't, I'll get back to you tomorrow. Today was planned before I got here this morning in my head while driving in. Or even published if we are working on a project. Your little ADD Ritalin fueled brain will just have to wait a day and see if you can remember what your last panic attack was about.

I save the "open an IT ticket and we will prioritize your ticket in tomorrow's planing meeting" for the absolute worst offenders.

If you think your lack of planning more than 24 hours in advance needs a response, you'll either come find me in person or you'll call the phone number listed in the signature of every email.

And if you abuse that, you're going to voice mail. Which has speech to text on it just to see what you're flipping out about this time.

And then there's the real **** list. People who text me across the room/building. Deleted. Without reading it. Unless it said someone was bleeding. In which case I'll dial 911 for ya.

Unless it's on fire, we are totally down, or someone is bleeding in the server room, you can find a minute to come talk to me. If you can't, you'll get a response no later than tomorrow. Usually later tonight.

Some slack given for remote workers, especially in different time zones.
 
^^^ That said, there are people who have built a reputation of not wasting my time who will get responses to electronic communication forms. I already know they're not screwing around worried about some stupid crap that won't save all our asses.
 
No mo robo...... I installed this in the summer, I have fios, and it works great. One ring for robo calls and that's it, no mo robo takes it out. I did get a note from them a few days ago saying that the carriers are trying to stop their service. If that happens I will probably give up my land line.

https://www.nomorobo.com/
 
Considering how many people are giving up land lines to get away from unsolicited sales calls, I would think that land line companies would be up in arms demanding big fines for Do Not Call list violators. :dunno:

And now that I've started mainly using my cell phone, I've started to get such calls on that too.
 
Palmpilot said:
Considering how many people are giving up land lines to get away from unsolicited sales calls, I would think that land line companies would be up in arms demanding big fines for Do Not Call list violators. :dunno:

And now that I've started mainly using my cell phone, I've started to get such calls on that too.
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Yup me too.. And I don't give out my cell number to many people either..:dunno:
 
N801BH said:
Yup me too.. And I don't give out my cell number to many people either..:dunno:
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I don't pick up numbers I don't recognize, especially with the cell phone. I figure if it's important they will leave a message. We have sequential numbers for most of our cells and have had robots calling just to see if someone picks up.
 
PaulS said:
I don't pick up numbers I don't recognize, especially with the cell phone. I figure if it's important they will leave a message. We have sequential numbers for most of our cells and have had robots calling just to see if someone picks up.
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I am not that lucky since I am a general contractor with potential clients calling from anywhere in the world. And I have a couple of properties on the market, so not answering calls could cost me a couple of million...:redface:
 
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I signed Richard's petition, the one in the first post on this thread. It only takes a few seconds, and it's worth a try.
 
NoHeat said:
I signed Richard's petition, the one in the first post on this thread. It only takes a few seconds, and it's worth a try.
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I trust absolutely NOTHING with the word " Whitehouse" in it...:nonod::nonod::no:
 
It's hard to tell if the ones that get through are violators of the do not call list or one of the many stupidly and greedily enacted exemptions: Political calls, surveys, and charities.

NOMOROBO catches a lot but it's unwieldy. There's an move to allow the carriers to block "spam" phone calls like spam emails but the assertion is the FCC rules preclude this. You can log your opinion on that aspect here:

https://www.nomorobo.com/pages/tell-the-fcc
 
When the caller ID just shows a place name instead of the name of the caller, is that pretty much guaranteed to be a spam phone call?
 
Palmpilot said:
When the caller ID just shows a place name instead of the name of the caller, is that pretty much guaranteed to be a spam phone call?
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Not necessarily. I have a friend or two (that are with verizon), and when they call the house (yes, i'm 29 and have a landline), the callerID just shows the number and "SANFRANCISCO,CA"
 
I don't answer numbers that I don't recognize and don't have the name of a company I do business with on the caller ID.

99% of the time it's some unwanted calls. It bit me a couple of times though... once the credit card I had set up on auto pay for something had expired. Card# hadn't changed, but they had the old expiration date on file so it didn't go through and I ended up getting service shut off. They'd been trying to contact me as it turns out.... from an 800-number with UNKNOWN for the caller ID.

You'd think a legitimate business would leave a message or something but they often don't... probably because of privacy concerns :rolleyes:
 
I give out the Google Voice number and let it ring the real numbers. Friends and people I've called back can get the real number from Caller ID but if they call one of them, they may find it's been changed. The GV number is always forwarded to the real ones.

Bonus: Ring everywhere service. If you call the GV number my cell rings as does my office as does my home as does my Asterisk test number as does...

And I can manage it easily and block the idiots easily.

If I ever get un-lazy about it I'll point GV to Asterisk only and let it do the routing. Then I can ring whatever I like by number. If I don't recognize the number it won't ring anything, it'll just go to voice mail.
 
I find myself wondering if businesses are using the Do Not Call list as a Call list.
 
zaitcev said:
With the proliferation of VoIP providers, the "do not call" list turns increasingly into a joke, and there's nothing anyone can do about it. Least of all the government. Might as well launch a petition to Obama to kill all Canadians, for example. It just isn't possible outside of a delirious fantasy world.
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It would be easy to set up the same kind of block that we used to have on landlines. Get a spam call, hang up, dial a *70 or something (can't remember the code we used) your VoIP service looks up the ip of the last voice call you received and adds it to a list of blocked addresses.

Forums do it all the time.
 
Rigged4Flight said:
It would be easy to set up the same kind of block that we used to have on landlines. Get a spam call, hang up, dial a *70 or something (can't remember the code we used) your VoIP service looks up the ip of the last voice call you received and adds it to a list of blocked addresses.

Forums do it all the time.
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Considering the prevalence of dynamic IP addressing, I would think that IP address blocking would be both ineffective, and a source of too many false positives.
 
The counter on the website is not working very well. Current it is 18, it was 12 when I signed it. I know of dozens of people that have signed it in the last 24 hours.
 
Palmpilot said:
Considering the prevalence of dynamic IP addressing, I would think that IP address blocking would be both ineffective, and a source of too many false positives.
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Forums have the same problem. I guess you have to decide whether you want to take the chance that the next time someone using an ISP in New York City makes a VoIP call to you that this time they actually do have a lot of money to give you with no strings attached.

Or instead of just blocking the calls, any IP addresses on your list could get sent to a voicemail telling them that they have been blocked.

We recently moved to NM. The phone number we have on our DSL service must have been used by a deadbeat debtor, because we instantly started getting 11ty billion calls demanding money. We set up a block with the phone service that instructs anyone calling to enter their phone number and we can block numbers that we don't want to receive. It was awesome. Instantly got rid of all the calls.
 
MagicJack is the answer. I have a MagicJack number that I give to pretty much everyone except family and a very few close friends. Everyone else gets the MagicJack number. If they demand my cell phone number (like more and more businesses seem to be doing), I refuse and tell them that I'm taking my business elsewhere.

On the unlikely chance that I have to call any of these people or businesses, I use the MagicJack number so that remains the only one they know about. Other than that, it rarely gets used and is not answered. The ringer's turned off except for those rare occasions when I'm expecting an important call on that number. Otherwise, everyone goes to voice mail, which I rarely check and even more rarely respond to.

My cell phone is a prepaid from Straight Talk registered to a fictitious name. I forget what it is offhand. Possibly Letitia Snipe, but I forget.

As for text messages, I rarely check them unless they're from family or friends, which I know because they have a special tone. Everyone else is silent, and I just mass delete them, unread.

Somewhat ironically, the number I rarely get calls on is my business number, which is the only one that's public. My existing clients rarely have reason to call me, new clients prefer using the contact form, and my upstream providers always get paid on time and have no reason to call me.

I think the last call I got on the business line was from D&B asking me for some information for my business credit profile, which I refused to give them. If I need a loan I go to my credit union at 9:00 a.m. and walk out with the money by 9:15, so I have no use for banks, business credit profiles, or D&B.

Rich
 
RJM62 said:
MagicJack is the answer. I have a MagicJack number that I give to pretty much everyone except family and a very few close friends. Everyone else gets the MagicJack number. If they demand my cell phone number (like more and more businesses seem to be doing), I refuse and tell them that I'm taking my business elsewhere.

On the unlikely chance that I have to call any of these people or businesses, I use the MagicJack number so that remains the only one they know about. Other than that, it rarely gets used and is not answered. The ringer's turned off except for those rare occasions when I'm expecting an important call on that number. Otherwise, everyone goes to voice mail, which I rarely check and even more rarely respond to.

My cell phone is a prepaid from Straight Talk registered to a fictitious name. I forget what it is offhand. Possibly Letitia Snipe, but I forget.

As for text messages, I rarely check them unless they're from family or friends, which I know because they have a special tone. Everyone else is silent, and I just mass delete them, unread.

Somewhat ironically, the number I rarely get calls on is my business number, which is the only one that's public. My existing clients rarely have reason to call me, new clients prefer using the contact form, and my upstream providers always get paid on time and have no reason to call me.

I think the last call I got on the business line was from D&B asking me for some information for my business credit profile, which I refused to give them. If I need a loan I go to my credit union at 9:00 a.m. and walk out with the money by 9:15, so I have no use for banks, business credit profiles, or D&B.

Rich
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MagicJack costs money. Google Voice is free.

But I know you don't like Google. ;)
 
denverpilot said:
MagicJack costs money. Google Voice is free.

But I know you don't like Google. ;)
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True. But also, doesn't GV required you to forward the number somewhere? That would kind of defeat the purpose if you have no intention of answering the calls anyway.

Rich
 
You can actually see the initials and the cities where people signing the petition are. Very few people here have signed it.

Why?
 
I never thought the Do Not Call List was an effective approach. The issue is commercial advertisers stealing resources private citizens pay for, to use them for commercial advertising. It's called theft and is a job for law enforcement. The only alternative would be to allow advertising when registered advertisers agreed to pay the consumer for the right to use those private resources for commercial advertising. There is no free media. Law enforcement dropped the ball here. It's just government sanctioned criminal activity at this point. The do not call list is absurd.
 
RJM62 said:
True. But also, doesn't GV required you to forward the number somewhere? That would kind of defeat the purpose if you have no intention of answering the calls anyway.
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No required that I know of. I'd have to check. I think you can just have the number and never send the calls anywhere but voice mail on GV if you like. Which will then send an email with the attached voice file and a (very bad) transcript of the voice mail if you like.
 
Geico266 said:
You can actually see the initials and the cities where people signing the petition are. Very few people here have signed it.

Why?
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I suspect that POA participation would be higher if there were a Republican in the White House.
 
I find it strange that it has only 23 signatures so far. I signed it before I saw it posted here and I also posted a link on my facebook page.
 
Rigged4Flight said:
I find it strange that it has only 23 signatures so far. I signed it before I saw it posted here and I also posted a link on my facebook page.
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You actually trust numbers that come out of the Whitehouse..:dunno::dunno::dunno::(..

Not that they have ever cooked numbers and facts before...:nonod:......:rolleyes2::rolleyes2:
 
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