Dark Aero 1

Discussion in 'Home Builders and Sport Pilots' started by Jon Stains, Dec 2, 2018.

  1. Jon Stains

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    Ive been following them slowly on Instagram. Whats your guys thoughts on this. I think it will be incredible competitor for lancair and glasair if it does what it says it will.
     
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  3. Jon Stains

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    How many are flying?
     
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    That’s not important. All it takes is a vision. :)
     
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    who remembers ads on matchbooks
     
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    Very tiny wing. And relatively high stall speed. This company at least claims to be making aerospace parts currently.
     
  8. Jon Stains

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    Where did you find the proposed speeds or are you making speculation?
     
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    Stall speed is listed as 70 mph on the specs page.
     
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    High stall speed, based on everything being listed in miles and MPH, looks like they are marketing it to new pilots, where have I seen that model before.....
     
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    Ah yes, another engineering major undergraduate capstone project yai. Looks like they might make some of your money back retailing homemade honeycomb panels. Who knows, maybe they'll end up with a parts and materials business with enough profit to net them the discretionary life to buy an A36 Bo and be done with it :rofl:.
     
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    Well the bede is one example, there was the guy who lawn darted a PC12 with his family, the icon acidents, early circus stuff etc

    Just marketing high performance planes to low performance pilots, or worse non pilots.
     
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    I like the concept, just a little hot rod built for speed and not much else.
     
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    Well if pro pilots weren't such Taco Cabana tortilla flippers, Pilatus would be able to market these damned things to them, instead of your computer sophistry neighbors with all the spending cash...:stirpot:
     
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    Van's Aircraft? The largest GA manufacturer by volume.

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    Of airplane parts maybe. I expect my transportation conveyances fully assembled when they are sold to me.
     
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    Lol, as much as I like the PC-12, it’s not what I’d fly for my me time.

    Only upgrade I’d debate would be a turbine beaver amphib or a PC6 amphib, and for me that really would just be spending money to spend money compared to my current ride.
     
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    I've been pretty impressed by their quality of work so far: https://www.facebook.com/darkaeroinc/

    I just wish, like with Raptor, that they would have started with a conventional Lycoming / Continental engine.
     
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    I predict with a 200 hp naturally aspirated engine, 215 kt cruise. All up completed IFR will be $180K. Basically a carbon Lancair360. Personally, I’d go with a Barracuda and a well backed company.
     
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    How many are flying? If none, how many kits delivered?
     
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    None, none...none.
     
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    So is this like a Lancair, but you run the risk of the company going T.U. and not being able to finish your kit?
     
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    Gotta start somewhere. Better a new kit maker than no new kit maker, so long as the airplane work.
     
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    One problem for startups like this in GA is that other companies have been promising fantastic performance (Synergy,Raptor, Delthahawk) and have never delivered. Some - like Deltahawk - have even drained taxpayer funding for the perpetual magic beans show.
     
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    Thing is I don’t see many original designs, like I said make a solar turbine powered one and I’d probably cave in and pull the trigger, or a cool fast flying boat, or if you’re going to copy stuff copy the white lighting where there is nothing on the market to compete.

    Why would I pay the same to get your knock off of a glasair or rv or whatever when I can just get the real thing?

    Just a bunch of rotax / little conti/lyc clones, blah
     
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    all carbon fiber has been done before?

    some pretty big claims on their website. useful and speed namely. also think i'd rather some cargo room vs 77 gallons of fuel
     
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    Oooooh! Tell me more about these magic beans!
     
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    These guys did a 45 min presentation on their build for an EAA chapter meeting.





    Interesting design aspect with the rudder(s). As some have said it looks like a smaller, tighter version of a Lancair Legacy.
     
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  32. Brad Smith

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    Wait until the prototype is actually completed and tested with a few flying examples of customer built planes out there before getting too excited about this design. Kit companies with big promises come and go very quickly and the smart money will go with the established kit producers. As I see it, there isn't much difference between the DarkAero and what is already out there except promises of increased range on less fuel burn with the DarkAero. To attain the same cruise speeds as the competition with 1/3 less fuel burn would be quite a feat, indeed. The DarkAero would have to be a lot cleaner to produce those promises and still have a reasonably comfortable cockpit for 2 people. There is no "free lunch" in aviation as every knot has to be earned.
     
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    I completely agree with you, not buying into any hype about the aircraft or it's performance specs. I just find some of the design features such as a complete wet wing or those dual rudder bits interesting.
     
  34. Initial Fix

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    It will be interesting to see the performance once it flys. And more interesting to see the weight growth after the first build and after they do some aeroelastic flight testing.
     
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