Danger Danger! Idiots Flying Paramotors

Worldwide trade

Pre-Flight
Joined
May 19, 2012
Messages
61
Location
Naples FL
Display Name
WorldWiseTrade
Home Airfield
KAPF
So on Monday I am shooting an IFR GPS approach in IMC with low overcast and fog (about 300' overcast) to a non-controlled field. On approach Miami Center hands me off to Unicom, proper callouts made on the approach, no other traffic on the frequency. WX was below minimums so a missed approach was performed and diverted elsewhere. Shockingly, the person waiting for me on the ground later advised that there were a bunch of paramotors flying around the airport, over the runways, going in and out of the cloud bases. Thankfully a potential disaster was avoided but this could have been very deadly. So what to do with this? I've filed a NASA report, will contact the airport manager, maybe the FAA should be notified. Imagine hitting one of those idiots with no transponders or communications at minimums!

What are the group thoughts on this? What regulations are required of these paramotors?
 
So on Monday I am shooting an IFR GPS approach in IMC with low overcast and fog (about 300' overcast) to a non-controlled field. On approach Miami Center hands me off to Unicom, proper callouts made on the approach, no other traffic on the frequency. WX was below minimums so a missed approach was performed and diverted elsewhere. Shockingly, the person waiting for me on the ground later advised that there were a bunch of paramotors flying around the airport, over the runways, going in and out of the cloud bases. Thankfully a potential disaster was avoided but this could have been very deadly. So what to do with this? I've filed a NASA report, will contact the airport manager, maybe the FAA should be notified. Imagine hitting one of those idiots with no transponders or communications at minimums!

What are the group thoughts on this? What regulations are required of these paramotors?

One of the first questions, which particular airport and what is the airspace involved. You say non-controlled, but is the Class E floor at 700 or does it extend to the surface? Part 103 covers paramotor operations.
 
Paramotors are subject to Part 103 like any other ultralight. They're subject to the standard VFR weather minimums in E or G, and can't fly in surface E without ATC permission. Most paramotor pilots are responsible (I was one), but sadly there are some idiots out there. Yes, the FAA and airport manager should be notified.
 
Funny you mentioned this. A few weeks ago we went to Fernandina FL, KFHB. I was IFR flight plan, but was in VMC and I did a visual on 27. Sure enough, as I was on the down wind in the left hand pattern I saw a motorized parachute buzzing around the end of 27 on the north side of the field. I'd say about 100 feet north of the end of the runway, perpendicular to the runway. 50-200 feet altitude.

And.... what happens if someone goes missed and goes wide right, like on of the airports many student pilots? What if the wind kicks him or the plane the wrong direction?
 
Shockingly, the person waiting for me on the ground later advised that there were a bunch of paramotors flying around the airport, over the runways, going in and out of the cloud bases. Thankfully a potential disaster was avoided but this could have been very deadly. So what to do with this? I've filed a NASA report, will contact the airport manager, maybe the FAA should be notified. Imagine hitting one of those idiots with no transponders or communications at minimums!
In addition to the Airport Manager I'd call the local FSDO, they were definately breaking the regs. You tell us if there was 1SM visability, but they also need to be Clear of the Clouds. And it sounds like they were busting those Wx minimums.

And if the airport is City or State owned, I'd follow up with whomever is in charge of aviation. They should know the potential liability issue if they continue to let it happen.
 
So they were legal, but stupid.
Not even close to legal! They might have had 1SM visibilty, but with ceilings of 300ft there's a good chance they didn't. But if they were going into the clouds, then they were definately busting the Wx minimum that says they must stay Clear of the Clouds.
 
Flying a paramotor in G airspace under a low ceiling in and of itself isn't dangerous; the low speed and maneuverability mean it can be done safely. I've done it myself. But doing it over or near an airport with an instrument approach is beyond stupid.
 
As a PPG pilot it is 1sm vis and Clear of Clouds in G just like part 91. Clear of clouds can be subjective to one's perspective. Pilot may actually be clear but if there is a lil puff between pilot and observer it can appear they are busting the clouds when they are not...not saying that is what happened here but have seen that scenario.

Also although technically not illegal it is stupid if they are operating over an active runway, but again you are relying on a perspective of someone observing that from the ground. I have operated plenty around runways but alway outside the traffic pattern, to an untrained observer that could be perceived as a disaster waiting to happen but not necessarily the case assuming all the pilots are abiding by the rues of the road.

And at the moment of VMC see and avoid still comes into play even though you are IFR, which is why as a GA pilot one can not put their guard down even though they think they are being protected by IFR...as the saying goes complacency kills.

Now all that assumes the PPG pilot is aware of all that as well.
 
Now all that assumes the PPG pilot is aware of all that as well.

In my experience, unless they are otherwise a pilot, they are blissfully unaware there are any rules or regulations. A lot like drone operators. I recently had one operating from an open lot adjacent to the airport, Class E to surface. I stopped and talked to him, friendly encounter. He was completely unaware of FARs or any other rules, just didnt know how to get access to the airport so he thought he'd stay clear by taking off immediately next door. I politely pointed out the FARs regarding his operation, the potential consequences of violations, not to mention trespassing on private property and operating in a congested area at extreme low level.
 
Not even close to legal! They might have had 1SM visibilty, but with ceilings of 300ft there's a good chance they didn't. But if they were going into the clouds, then they were definately busting the Wx minimum that says they must stay Clear of the Clouds.
So you don’t know whether or not they had the visibility, and you’re relying on the perspective of someone who wasn’t actually seeing what they were seeing. You have no idea whether they were legal or not.
 
In addition to the Airport Manager I'd call the local FSDO, they were definately breaking the regs. You tell us if there was 1SM visability, but they also need to be Clear of the Clouds. And it sounds like they were busting those Wx minimums.

And if the airport is City or State owned, I'd follow up with whomever is in charge of aviation. They should know the potential liability issue if they continue to let it happen.
If anything, I would suggest the op encourage the people who actually saw the activity to report it to the hotline.
 
In my experience, unless they are otherwise a pilot, they are blissfully unaware there are any rules or regulations. A lot like drone operators. I recently had one operating from an open lot adjacent to the airport, Class E to surface. I stopped and talked to him, friendly encounter. He was completely unaware of FARs or any other rules, just didnt know how to get access to the airport so he thought he'd stay clear by taking off immediately next door. I politely pointed out the FARs regarding his operation, the potential consequences of violations, not to mention trespassing on private property and operating in a congested area at extreme low level.
This, do not assume malice when it is most often ignorance. In my experiences in many different situations is that a friendly approach and talk to the “violator” will change their behavior 1000% faster than turn them in and fight it out. Despite what anybody tells you 99.9999% of people are deep down good and want to do the right thing, but will get defensive and dig in their heals if approached aggressively and accused of being in the wrong. I would bet $2 to $1 they were completely unaware they were doing anything wrong and if approached and educated in the correct way would never do it again. I will go further and place the same bet that they would then start to look into and study more deeply what they can and can’t do on their own.
 
I am an active paramotor pilot. I often fly out of a local uncontrolled (700 AGL Class E) field. Of course, being as I'm also a professional pilot, I know all the rules and approaches and all that stuff. So when I fly there I do have (and use) an aviation radio.

A few observations about paramotors (some of these apply to other ultralights as well):
- They're considered ultralights, and therefore have to follow Part 103 like any other ultralight. Part 103 is pretty short, you can read it in about a minute.
- Since they're ultralights, there is no pilot certificate and no training is required by regulation. Most people get training (because it's kind of self-selecting for continued success) but not all. It is highly possible that someone who received no training won't have any idea about airspace or even what regulations apply to them. Yes, they are required to comply with Part 103, but that doesn't mean they even know it exists.
- Paramotors are REALLY slow, even by ultralight standards. They typically fly at around 20-25 mph in all phases of flight. Add in a little wind, and groundspeeds of 10 mph are pretty common. Since we're used to watching regular airplanes fly by, it can be really hard to gauge how close or far away a paramotor is. And therefore whether it's complying with rules.
- I have met people flying paramotors with many different "backgrounds" (shall we say). Some fly paramotors in addition to, or instead of, regular aircraft because they're fun - like me. Some fly them instead of regular airplanes because they're much less expensive, or other practical reasons (no hangar required, easily portable, etc.). But, of course, some fly them because it's their only aviation option - they would not be able to pass, let's call it the various checks and balances required to get a pilot certificate such as a medical, often for various lifestyle choices. There is most definitely a more "free spirit" aspect of this hobby than regular aviation - similar I'd think to many skydivers or surfers and other extreme hobbies. And along with that often comes some hazardous attitudes.

All that said, I'd go ahead and approach the paramotors when you see them. Start a conversation. They may be extremely ignorant of the risk they were imposing on themselves and others. And believe me, the thought of flying a paramotor and getting close to other aircraft is SCARY. Nothing is going to end well in that scenario. So they may be very open to being educated on where the approaches are and such. You just have to make sure to approach it the right way so it comes across as mutual concern, not as "you guys are idiots" - that will immediately shut down any useful communication, just like in any interpersonal interaction. Because they may have no idea they are acting like idiots!
 
So you don’t know whether or not they had the visibility, and you’re relying on the perspective of someone who wasn’t actually seeing what they were seeing. You have no idea whether they were legal or not.
So you didn't bother to read what I said eh....

I comments that we didn't know what the visibility was, HOWEVER, if they are going in and out of the clouds it is totally illegal. You don't get that?
 
So you didn't bother to read what I said eh....

I comments that we didn't know what the visibility was, HOWEVER, if they are going in and out of the clouds it is totally illegal. You don't get that?
I agree…IF they were going in and out of the clouds they were illegal. But the reliability of someone on the ground making that determination is questionable. And making that determination based on what SGOTI was told over the phone even more so.
 
I will say even as a CFI, there were parts of Part 103 I was unaware of at the time until a student of mine picked up an ultralight as a 2nd aircraft and we started talking about it. A couple of things that caught me by surprise, especially because I know I've seen these violated a lot.


103.15 Operations over congested areas.
No person may operate an ultralight vehicle over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons.


Almost everywhere I've see a paramotor or powered parachute has been in a city area. The operators are naturally wanting to fly where they can see stuff and be seen. Every time I'm on the beach in the Florida Panhandle, there are several of these flying up and down the crowded beach areas at 100 AGL or less. One was even flirting with some restricted and MOA airspace further down the beach, and a V-22 Osprey came and nudged him back the right direction (I had video of that event, not sure what happened to it).

103.17 Operations in certain airspace.
No person may operate an ultralight vehicle within Class A, Class B, Class C, or Class D airspace or within the lateral boundaries of the surface area of Class E airspace designated for an airport unless that person has prior authorization from the ATC facility having jurisdiction over that airspace.

Basically any airport with Class E surface area can not have ultralights based on the field or operating from the airport, at least without authorization from ATC. After talking to the one operator I met near our airport, he tried calling the ARTCC that controls the Class E airspace, and they had no interest in giving that authorization. Its a busy Class E airport with a lot of IFR traffic in and out, and granted that authorization to effectively a NORDO aircraft would cause a lot of problems.
 
103.15 Operations over congested areas.
No person may operate an ultralight vehicle over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons.


Almost everywhere I've see a paramotor or powered parachute has been in a city area. The operators are naturally wanting to fly where they can see stuff and be seen. Every time I'm on the beach in the Florida Panhandle, there are several of these flying up and down the crowded beach areas at 100 AGL or less.
Can't fly over the crowded beach, but perfectly legal to fly 100' AGL or less over the water, as long as you're not flying over people in the water. And because a PPG is so slow, it doesn't take a large clear spot on the beach to safely (and legally) operate.
After talking to the one operator I met near our airport, he tried calling the ARTCC that controls the Class E airspace, and they had no interest in giving that authorization. Its a busy Class E airport with a lot of IFR traffic in and out, and granted that authorization to effectively a NORDO aircraft would cause a lot of problems.
Depends on the facility. Some years back a group of PPGers I was flying with got permission on a regular basis to fly from a sod farm about a mile inside the KHFD class D, as long as we stayed below 500' and only between the takeoff point and the nearest edge of the airspace. It was fun while it lasted... sadly, some moron who was not part of our group launched a powered parachute (sort of a really large paramotor with wheels) from somewhere else and flew multiple times at low altitude directly over a town within the D, after which ATC was no longer willing to work with us even though we didn't even know who the other guy was.
 
So on Monday I am shooting an IFR GPS approach in IMC with low overcast and fog (about 300' overcast) to a non-controlled field. On approach Miami Center hands me off to Unicom, proper callouts made on the approach, no other traffic on the frequency. WX was below minimums so a missed approach was performed and diverted elsewhere. Shockingly, the person waiting for me on the ground later advised that there were a bunch of paramotors flying around the airport, over the runways, going in and out of the cloud bases. Thankfully a potential disaster was avoided but this could have been very deadly. So what to do with this? I've filed a NASA report, will contact the airport manager, maybe the FAA should be notified. Imagine hitting one of those idiots with no transponders or communications at minimums!

What are the group thoughts on this? What regulations are required of these paramotors?
100% call the FSDO.
 
This, do not assume malice when it is most often ignorance.
I wouldn’t particularly care which it was when I was plummeting towards imminent death after hitting one of them.
 
Actually they were in and out of the cloud bases according to the ground observer, so not legal. But I agree stupid and dangerous.
not arguing with the stupidity of it, but is pretty easy in those kinds of conditions to stay legal VFR but not have it appear so to observers outside the aircraft.

Something to remember when shooting approaches into Class G Airspace, which I am bit surprised is even allowed.

Brian
 
Several years ago, we had one flying around our marina for a month or so. One day he went down between our sailboat row and the powerboat one just south of us. He was just below the roof of the power boat dock south of us and way below the sailboats mast on our row, ours was 60' off the water. I got a great picture of him about 150 feet behind us, clearly showing the name of the paramotor school. He landed and went to the marina restaurant and I found him. I showed the picture to him and told him that if I ever saw him get anywhere near a person or boat again, I would send it to the feds. We never saw him again.

A little over 4 years ago a C208 freighter hit one SW of Houston at 5,000ft, killed everyone. https://www.baaa-acro.com/sites/default/files/2024-07/N1116N.pdf
 
103.17 Operations in certain airspace.
No person may operate an ultralight vehicle within Class A, Class B, Class C, or Class D airspace or within the lateral boundaries of the surface area of Class E airspace designated for an airport unless that person has prior authorization from the ATC facility having jurisdiction over that airspace.

Basically any airport with Class E surface area can not have ultralights based on the field or operating from the airport, at least without authorization from ATC. After talking to the one operator I met near our airport, he tried calling the ARTCC that controls the Class E airspace, and they had no interest in giving that authorization. Its a busy Class E airport with a lot of IFR traffic in and out, and granted that authorization to effectively a NORDO aircraft would cause a lot of problems.
True but in reality uncontrolled airports with E that extends ALL the way down to the surface are more rare than common. While not a hard rule generally they are fields that have commercial operators but no towers and exist to protect the commercial operators from scenarios just like this where a Ultralight can be just below the club base when you pop out.

There are also plenty of Surface E airports where local PPG pilots indeed do have authorization from ATC with certain agreed restrictions but a call outta the blue to ATC for approval is agreeably unlikely.

Honestly it was not until learning PPG and part 103 studying up on the regs that all the G/E/E Surface Area/Cloud Clearance and Visibility rules for part 91 and 103 really clicked and made sense why even as an IFR rated pilot prior.
 
As a PPG pilot it is 1sm vis and Clear of Clouds in G just like part 91. Clear of clouds can be subjective to one's perspective. Pilot may actually be clear but if there is a lil puff between pilot and observer it can appear they are busting the clouds when they are not...not saying that is what happened here but have seen that scenario.
In this case, it appears there was a puff of clouds between the parachute and the pilot.
 
Back
Top