Currency in SEL.

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You own and only fly an anphib. you never land on wheels, your home is on a lake, the support city has a float pond.

it's been a year since you landed on wheels, are you current SEL.?
 
not enough info - has the "anphib" been flown for three take-offs and landing in the past 90 days?
 
FAR 61.57 is the relevant reg.

My previous question doesn't matter.

The answer is no because take-offs/landings must be in same category and class
 
My vote is "no" based on the "class" inclusion in 61.57 (http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFar.nsf/FARSBySectLookup/61.57) and the definition of "class" in 1.1 (http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_G...29C0FFCE0C430A86256EDF00478339?OpenDocument):

Sec. 61.57

Recent flight experience: Pilot in command.

(a) General experience.

(1) Except as provided in paragraph (e) of this section, no person may act as a pilot in command of an aircraft carrying passengers or of an aircraft certificated for more than one pilot flight crewmember unless that person has made at least three takeoffs and three landings within the preceding 90 days, and--

(i) The person acted as the sole manipulator of the flight controls; and
(ii) The required takeoffs and landings were performed in an aircraft of the same category, class, and type (if a type rating is required), and, if the aircraft to be flown is an airplane with a tailwheel, the takeoffs and landings must have been made to a full stop in an airplane with a tailwheel.


Sec. 1.1

General definitions.

As used in Subchapters A through K of this chapter, unless the context requires otherwise:

[...]
Class:
(1) As used with respect to the certification, ratings, privileges, and limitations of airmen, means a classification of aircraft within a category having similar operating characteristics. Examples include: single engine; multiengine; land; water; gyroplane; helicopter; airship; and free balloon; and
(2) As used with respect to the certification of aircraft, means a broad grouping of aircraft having similar characteristics of propulsion, flight, or landing. Examples include: airplane; rotorcraft; glider; balloon; landplane; and seaplane.
 
But that's the real question isn't it? What class is an amphib?

It seems the best and most consistent answer is that it depends on where you are operating. Operating off water, it would be treated as SES.
 
Lindberg said:
But that's the real question isn't it? What class is an amphib?

It seems the best and most consistent answer is that it depends on where you are operating. Operating off water, it would be treated as SES.
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That's the way it works. A SEL pilot can fly an amphib as a land aircraft but needs the SES to alight or depart from water (without an instructor...yaddayaddayadda).
 
What am I missing? If you're rated for SEL .. you just can't take passengers until you meet the recent experience requirement of 61.57.

RT
 
RogerT said:
What am I missing? If you're rated for SEL .. you just can't take passengers until you meet the recent experience requirement of 61.57.

RT
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How would a pilot that never lands on land, meet those requirements?
 
Tom-D said:
How would a pilot that never lands on land, meet those requirements?
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Well if you never land on land then why would you need to? :goofy:


The answer is pretty simple though. Go fly to a land airport solo- no passengers. Do 3 takeoffs and landing solo. You are now current. That's all that is required.
 
just put this in the back....and you'll be fine. :D

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If you logged landings at say, Hooks out in the Houston area, who would know unless you specified which runway? OTOH, if you log the location as a seaport, or something else, the inspector will surely know.
 
cowman said:
Well if you never land on land then why would you need to? :goofy:


The answer is pretty simple though. Go fly to a land airport solo- no passengers. Do 3 takeoffs and landing solo. You are now current. That's all that is required.
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Did you forget what the question was ?

we know how to get legal.

the question was is he now?
 
N801BH said:
If you ain't haulin pax.......... You are CURRENT....:yes::yes:
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Umm, current to fly but not current to carry pax. Wanna argue which currency is in question fine but I think you're just chasing sheep
 
If you want to fly with passengers from/to water, you must have three water takeoffs/landings within the past 90 days. If you want to fly with passengers from/to land, you must have three land takeoffs/landings within the past 90 days. Whether the aircraft was/is an amphib or a strictly land or sea airplane is immaterial.

And no, the FAA isn't going to bust you for violating 61.57(a) because you ditched your single-engine landplane after an engine failure over water with passengers despite your lack of either an ASES rating or recent water landings. OTOH, I don't think they'll let you count that for seaplane currency.
 
Clark1961 said:
Umm, current to fly but not current to carry pax. Wanna argue which currency is in question fine but I think you're just chasing sheep
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Sheep AIN"T pax......:no::D:D:D:D...

Tom's question was for currency.....

NOT haulin pax....:rolleyes:
 
N801BH said:
Sheep AIN"T pax......:no::D:D:D:D...

Tom's question was for currency.....

NOT haulin pax....:rolleyes:
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Tom's question was currency which can address many things including hauling passengers. You're welcome to make any claim you like but it doesn't make you correct. Currency commonly refers to passengers since that is the shortest timeframe. There is also night currency.

So in the end, why argue? Do you R&W, Ron Levy's, and Steve's disease?
 
Clark1961 said:
Tom's question was currency which can address many things including hauling passengers. You're welcome to make any claim you like but it doesn't make you correct. Currency commonly refers to passengers since that is the shortest timeframe. There is also night currency.

So in the end, why argue? Do you R&W, Ron Levy's, and Steve's disease?
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You win.....

Your dick is obviously bigger then mine.....:sad::sad::sad::sad:...

Hot tub time and an adult beverage for lil ben....:yes:....;)

Seeya....
 
Who gives a ****?
 
Tom-D said:
Did you forget what the question was ?

we know how to get legal.

the question was is he now?
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It would take less time and effort to just go do your 3 in the pattern than it would to research and debate it.
 
I believe Ron made the best point, to haul pax you must be current in the usage of the aircraft.
 
what if you do 3 take offs and landings on a frozen lake. Does that count for both SEL and SES? :lol:
 
Lindberg said:
But that's the real question isn't it? What class is an amphib?

It seems the best and most consistent answer is that it depends on where you are operating. Operating off water, it would be treated as SES.
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It depends on how he was logging it, it's a grey area, some folks log it as SES time only when on water, some log it all as SEL, some log it all as SES.

Since most insurance companies and employers value amphib time and SES time above that of SEL time, most pilots just log it all as SES/amphib.
 
It would seem to me that the landings themselves would be what is of value. SES Amphib with a majority of landings on land wouldn't be of much value to a SES operator. Or an Insurance company for that matter.

But what do I know?
 
Greg Bockelman said:
It would seem to me that the landings themselves would be what is of value. SES Amphib with a majority of landings on land wouldn't be of much value to a SES operator. Or an Insurance company for that matter.

But what do I know?
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Not sure.

Just how most folks log it.

Are you a seaplane pilot Greg?
 
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Probably not much

Here's one of the better FAQs on it

Q: How should I log amphibious flight time?

A: In a nutshell, any way you want. Strategies vary from person to person, and there is no known guidance from the FAA on this subject. Insurance companies are often interested in logged amphibious time as a distinct subcategory of logged seaplane time. Many seaplane pilots who fly amphibs primarily from land-based airports consider their amphibious flight time as land plane time. Others consider it seaplane time. A third group breaks it down according to number of land and/or sea operations. The bottom line: it's up to you.

For insurance purposes, it is best to log amphibious time as seaplane time, since total seaplane time is a much more important factor in determining seaplane insurance rates than total time overall or total land plane time.
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http://www.seaplanes.org/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=278&Itemid=279#C7
 
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