Crash in Carrollton GA 2 airplanes down, 3 dead.

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  1. N747JB

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    I wonder what happened.
     
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    No details yet, weather is clear and 100 miles here and I am 30 miles away.
     
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    mid-air collision?
     
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    Just talked to a buddy of mine that is based there, it was a trainer of out of Peach Tree City, Falcon Field and a local pilot based at KCTJ mid air collision.
     
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    High wing/Low wing?
     
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    I'd bet that's a good call. I'd also speculate extremely wildly that one was NORDO - although, I don't like to speculate much at all. RIP to all.
     
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    Reports are saying a Diamond DA20 and an F-33 Bonanza.
     
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    Sad deal. RIP.
     
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    I've seen a DA20 out of Falcon field that comes up for checkrides @ FGU every now and then, hopefully it's not the same one. Very sad! :(
     
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    There are a strong presence of DA20's out of CCO and AHN with mostly Chinese students. I believe there is one out of FFC as well.
     
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    wow, definitely not two planes you'd expect to be NORDO. Don't know how it happened, even if a student pilot is involved (not implying it's the student's fault, either). Very sad situation.
     
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    Yeah - I should probably recant my earlier (and previously admittedly wild) speculation about NORDO aircraft. Incredibly unfortunate and sad all the way around.
     
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    Man, I just saw this on the news too. Being so close it hits close to home. Sad Day.
     
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    I agree with you. If one plane was NORDO, it would be easier to explain.
     
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    Another sad day,may they rest in peace.
     
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    Is that the Diamond short of the runway, looks like it's on it's back? And where is the Bonanza? Sad deal. RIP.
     
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    I think they two planes might be on top of each other, kinda hard to tell, bad deal no matter what
     
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    Damn.... RIP... Prayers to the families.
     
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    Just spoke to a friend that is an instructor at KCCO. Said it was one of their pilots and students. RIP
     
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    Dang, 3 more lost. :(
    R.I.P.
     
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    I'm probably not the only person that re-evaluates whether recreation flying is a good hobby, after each one of these crazy accidents. I mean besides the fact that your own plane can crap out on you and kill you, then the other scenario is that you could be doing everything 100% correctly and get killed by some idiot that is brainless, uses bad judgement, careless, etc.
     
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    Same. Thinking about my kids after reading about these is almost enough to make me walk away from it at times.
    Man I really enjoy flying though.
     
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    Or driving a car, riding a bike, riding a motorcycle, boating, ....

    Sad that none of them saw the other. Sad that all three died.
     
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    That’s the airport I am planning on stopping at overnight when flying my J-3 Cub to Florida in October. This sad new brings back memories of a good friend’s son-in-law who I meet having been killed in a midair flying out of a small Cincinnati airport while taking advanced training a few years ago.

    I just purchased two new batteries for my handheld radio for this trip as I want to both see and hear others. When about every other aircraft has ADS collision avoidance, it is my hope that pilots continue to look outside their aircraft for that low and slow yellow bird.
     
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    Hey ya oughta check out Moontown (grass) just east of Huntsville Al, or maybe Peach State in Ga., both cool airports. Peach State has a restaurant called Barnstormer's. These two would be a lot more interesting stop than Carrollton. Museum too at Peach State.
     
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    There's a reason why every life insurer will ask if you fly (or fly in) GA planes. I've never had a life insurance company ask me if I drive cars or bikes. Seems that some activities are a just a tiny bit more risky than others.
     
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    Good idea. Most would hope you have an external antenna hooked up and that you announce where you are in or near a traffic pattern.
     
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    The old saying goes, "Flying is not inherently dangerous. But to an even greater degree than the sea, it is terribly unforgiving of any carelessness, incapacity or neglect." It is also true, however, that absent such carelessness, incapacity or neglect, one has more control over one's own destiny in the air than on the highway.
     
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    They ask about other risky activities too.

    To me the majority of aviation accidents are stupid human tricks by the pilot. Avoid those and one is fine. Same can't be said about cars, motorcycles, and bikes. In those often some other idiot hits you.

    But yes, flying has inherent risks.
     
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    I agree, I still try to believe that a safety minded pilot is the best accident prevention key there is. Not saying that both of these guys were not. I was in a situation recently, where i was approaching the airport pattern and someone (sounded like a student) chimed in and said his position. He first said he was 5 to the SE, a moment later he said he was 5 to the NE and then he was 4 to the NE and was crossing over mid field. At this point I was really questioning his SA. I tried asking him to clarify his intentions and current position and it was obvious that he was not aware of where he was. I scanned vigorously for any traffic, made a turn and departed the area to the west. Being near an uncontrolled pattern, knowing that someone is around who you can't see and they dont know themselves, can be a little nerve wracking. For me personally, I am VERY communicative on the radios at an uncontrolled field. As with driving, its usually the other person you have to be vigilant about.
     
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    Definitely a sad event. Not too far fetched to think that perhaps one of them was not listening on CTAF and thus failed to hear traffic calls of the other. Perhaps one was in the pattern and the other came straight in. Then again, they both could have been in the pattern and making calls but just lost track of each other. Regardless, very sad.
     
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    Yep you would think the Insurance companies would ask about driving a car.

    There are 3287 deaths each day from car crashes according to this website
    http://asirt.org/initiatives/informing-road-users/road-safety-facts/road-crash-statistics
     
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    They just assume that everyone who buys life insurance also drives a car. That's a fair enough assumption. Flying GA is uncommon enough to deserve a separate risk calculus from the rest of the risk pool they are working with. It doesn't mean that flying GA is riskier. It just means that it is a less popular selected risk.
     
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    Sad indeed. RIP.

    We had a mid-air at our airport a few years ago. A Civil Air Patrol C-182 was climbing out into a setting sun and a local pilot was returning from a trip in his C-170. Both were high wings, and the C-182 climbed into the C-170. Everyone died.
     
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    Really sad deal, I hangared at Carrollton for about six months. Nice little airport.