Citation into Homes, San Diego, 5/22/25

kayoh190 said:
The CE-525 type is for the CitationJets. The S550 is covered under the CE-500 type. Check for that one.
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There’s only two of 22 with type ratings. The other dude has RJ types, not CE types.
 
TCABM said:
Interesting. Looking at the Airman Registry, the only (of 22) David Shapiros listed with a CE525 rating had a Class 3 dated Nov 2024 along with BasicMed. Am I missing something here?
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Nothing precludes you from going basic med with an issued certificate. The question is whether he had something that would have invalidated the certificate.
 
flyingron said:
Nothing precludes you from going basic med with an issued certificate. The question is whether he had something that would have invalidated the certificate.
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I agree, but the record doesn’t indicate the Class 3 was invalid.

The reason I said it was interesting is because unless this dude fly across the country at 17,500 or lower, that type of operation (in the FLs) is precluded under BasicMed. That’s what prompted me to trust but verify.
 
TCABM said:
I agree, but the record doesn’t indicate the Class 3 was invalid.

The reason I said it was interesting is because unless this dude fly across the country at 17,500 or lower, that type of operation (in the FLs) is precluded under BasicMed. That’s what prompted me to trust but verify.
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I'm sure the YouTube reported he had a current Basic Med. Is it even possible for a Part 91 pilot to hedge losing a Class 3 by also simultaneously having a Basic Med in place? I wouldn't think so...
 
Rick A said:
I'm sure the YouTube reported he had a current Basic Med. Is it even possible for a Part 91 pilot to hedge losing a Class 3 by also simultaneously having a Basic Med in place? I wouldn't think so...
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Yes, it is possible. The medical certificate information is independent of the basic med CMEC/course dates. I've got them both (though the medical is long expired now).
 
Rick A said:
I'm sure the YouTube reported he had a current Basic Med.
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I haven’t seem the video and am not questioning what you heard. I’m just asserting it’s a violation for a BasicMed only pilot to operate above FL180 or bust the 250 knot speed limit, both of which would be terrific limitations for a jet operation.

So either the pilot was medically qualified for the type of operation being conducted or not.

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TCABM said:
I haven’t seem the video and am not questioning what you heard. I’m just asserting it’s a violation for a BasicMed only pilot to operate above FL180 or bust the 250 knot speed limit, both of which would be terrific limitations for a jet operation.

So either the pilot was medically qualified for the type of operation being conducted or not.

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And he most clearly operated in those regimes on this flight (even though he obviously was not at the instant of the crash).
 
flyingron said:
Yes, it is possible. The medical certificate information is independent of the basic med CMEC/course dates. I've got them both (though the medical is long expired now).
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Interesting...

Here's a question: A Commercial pilot possesses both Third Class and Basic Med and develops a medical condition that would require a lengthy process to regain their Third Class. As long as they are not being paid for any flying services, they can still fly with the Basic Med as long as they abide by the rules and restrictions (i.e., keep out of the flight levels, etc.)?
 
Rick A said:
Interesting...

Here's a question: A Commercial pilot possesses both Third Class and Basic Med and develops a medical condition that would require a lengthy process to regain their Third Class. As long as they are not being paid for any flying services, they can still fly with the Basic Med as long as they abide by the rules and restrictions (i.e., keep out of the flight levels, etc.)?
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Depends, but generally yes unless there’s a disqualifying BasicMed condition.
 
TCABM said:
Depends, but generally yes unless there’s a disqualifying BasicMed condition.
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Yep, and if your medical is just deferred, then you can do basic-med-legal flying while you wait for a decision (contrast to sport pilot which gets turned off as soon as you don't immediately pass at least a third class medical).
 
TCABM said:
Unsurprising, but WTH was he doing under the power lines to begin with?
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Ducking under the muck? That's not a huge ridge, but it's real, and if he just wanted to clear it, then he didn't see the lines.
 
Profiles posted on another forum seems to point to the approach downgrading from LPV to LNAV and setting altitude too low.
 
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