Cirrus Down Yuba City

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  1. Tantalum

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    Ran out of fuel??? Shame with a plane like the SR22 would run out of fuel with all the information in that panel.

    DUMB
     
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    Best news:

    Highest Injury: NONE
     
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    Not imo
    ...edited on account of,
    Looked rough in the order it landed. Was responding to the catepillar comment
     
  6. Tantalum

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    Nice to have no injuries!

    My question is... If they were genuinely out of gas then presumably they had already ran one tank dry

    Crazy that this crap happens!

    Didn't trust fuel gauges and wrong totalizer setting?
    Inaccurate fuel levels on both gauges?

    Hard to rationalize this one. It's a stupendously embarrassing mistake so I'm hopeful this pilot will never do that again
     
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    just wondering how it got upside down I thought the chute was designed to keep it upright?
     
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    They mentioned some strong ones. I think the winds flipped it over
     
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    “Plane suffered minor damage”.......???
    Looks like a total wreck
     
  10. Racerx

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    346 nautical mile flight...can't pull it off. So after it landed upside down nobody had the foresight to pack the chute so the wind wouldn't drag it across the field into a ditch? If it was salvageable I doubt it is now.
     
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    I was under the impression that once the chute is pulled, the airframe is totalled... is that the case?
     
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    Not sure about the recent models, but quite a few older ones have been returned to service:
    • N1223S, SR22 s/n 105 -- CAPS Save #1, repaired by Cirrus, sold, subsequently involved in a fatal accident
    • CGEMC, SR20 s/n 1241 -- CAPS event #2, self-insured, repaired and still flying
    • N916LJ, SR22 s/n 80 -- CAPS event #3, reregistered in AZ and still flying
    • N931CD, SR22 s/n 261 -- CAPS event #4, repaired, sold to friend of pilot, and still flying
    • N479SR, SR22 s/n 2794 -- CAPS event #17, reregistered in 2010 and subsequently involved in a fiery crash in Uraguay
    • N34TG, SR22 s/n 386 -- CAPS event #20, reregistered in 2011 and still flying
    • N470RD, SRV s/n 1636 -- CAPS event #24, repaired and still flying
    • N576WT, SR22 s/n 3440 -- CAPS event #27, repaired, renumbered N311KN and still flying
    • PP-CIE, SR20, s/n 1050 -- CAPS event #35, repaired and still flying
     
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    Glad to see no injuries, still trying to figure out how you run out of fuel with all the avionics on board.
     
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    They generally are once the chute is pulled. The suspension lines are "glassed" into the airframe, so it peels the gel coat when the chute is deployed. Not a trivial repair.
    Some have been repaired, per the list in post #13, including at least one owned and flown by a PoA member.
    But most are write offs after the chute is deployed. Which seems to be perfectly reasonable - the vehicle system is designed to protect the occupants, not itself.
     
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    FWIW, somebody said there was a fuel leak.

    Tim
     
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    In my 22 which is 19 years old, the Idiot light comes on once both tanks are below 10 Gallons.
    So when that light comes on, you have a max of 19.9 Gallons.

    In addition, there are 2 gauges, and 2 displays of the fuel on board, fuel used, and fuel remaining at your destination.
    The information is available for sure. Glad they made it out okay. Better to be embarrassed than dead.
     
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    A poster commented that according to the COPA website, the aircraft had recently undergone ''major'' fuel system maintenance, and had gone down because of fuel exhaustion.

    That may be true, but I would expect the pilot to have noticed his fuel was disappearing.
     
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    Keeping clean fuel flowing to the engine is truly the ‘low hanging fruit’ of accident prevention. Fuel & weather factor in with many accidents. If one can’t afford to put fuel in, go to the airport & be satisfied with washing & a wax job, no flying.
     
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    im wondering when cirrus will get around to adding a parachute cutaway tool. The video of the one for Hawaii that landed near the cruise ship, the parachute nearly swamped the cockpit before the pilot could get out - lots of water coming in.

    Im thinking something to cut with would be a good idea.
     
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    Cirrus's official CAP user guide. Very interesting read scanning through their philosophy, mechanics of operation, and part sales brochure.
     
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    scratching my head:
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    ...rushed over to help the three people onboard Tuesday night.
    ...
    Winds were strong enough to move the plane again on Wednesday.
    While the plane was moved from its original landing spot by Wednesday morning, winds in the area were strong enough to move the plane to another part of the field later in the day.
    "

    How far and for how many days was somebody going to let this thing blow until they decided to ball up the parachute and put a rock on it?
     
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    I fly a 22, 92 gallons of fuel full tank, or 60 gallons at tabs. I am always amazed at how quickly those fuel gages move. The newer generations with perspective have digital gages in the PFD or MFD, depending on which mode you are in. I've only seen the annunciation once or twice, but when I do I want to be on the ground getting more gas.
     
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    Not necessarily. One of my best friends landed a warbird in a corn field while ferrying it cross-country. There was something peculiar regarding the fuel gauges I don't recall. With full fuel on take-off (Verified by investigation), properly operating fuel totalizer, and a flight plan with fuel consumption calc leaving 2 hours reserve; he landed off field due to fuel exhaustion a few miles short of the destination. He's an extreme high time professional pilot.

    Turns out the plane was off-boarding fuel before the totalizer due to an improper repair.

    This is a corner case, but hey it's the Internet... Some has to post a contrary example. :rockon:
     
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    You’d be amazed at how many people, even local first responders, won’t touch anything at an aircraft incident scene. There’s a heavy perception the Feds will want it all left alone.

    I think the Sheriff and Volunteer Fire Dept was in slight shock that I had taken a couple photos and then pulled the wing pieces off to the side of the county road at the off airport landing incident I was witness to.

    I knew the wing came off from smacking a road sign long after the successful off airport landing a thousand yards before the sign, so there wasn’t anything mechanical or metallurgical to investigate from that. Ha. Whack.

    Of course the written witness statement of that and such also went to the Sheriff and FSDO. Pilot made the landing after power loss and had to move over for oncoming traffic. “Road May Flood” sign got in the way. It still hasn’t been replaced, years later.
     
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    There are so many places to land there without pulling the chute, to say nothing about the ADM when you run out of gas. SMH
     
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    Cirrus and COPA tells you to have the first responders drive a truck or car over chute to prevent people from getting hurt. Balling it up I suppose would be good if it wasn't inflating, but they say to be very careful around it as it can generate a lot of force if the conditions are right.
     
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    Makes sense.

    Very little else does at an accident scene for many.

    Everybody but the firefighters are always a bit scared of post-crash fires too. Too many movies.

    But knowing a vehicle is good for deflating a giant azz parachute is good info. Ha.
     
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    As someone who used to vehemently hate Cirrus (for no reason other than ignorance, really), I sincerely wish every airplane had a parachute for exactly this reason. Very glad there was a positive outcome, other than the bruised ego and busted plane.
     
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    The pilot is obviously unqualified to share the same sky with you.
     
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    I'm sure they're well qualified. We all make mistakes.

    Of course, this is the same forum that constant craps on Jerry Wagner for not crashing his plane, so...
     
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    Oh no. Multiple forums do that. This place is tame compared to the pro pilot forums, when it comes to Jerry. :)

    They’re all especially impressed with his unstabilized cowboy approaches in cabin class twins and the whole getting lost intercepting ILSes in IMC and coming out of the clouds in 30 plus degrees or more of bank angle and pushing ten degrees nose down with a windshield full of houses.

    It was one of those forums, where they’d been following him for years in the same thread, where someone zoomed the instrument panel up so everyone could enjoy it, months and months before any GA forums even knew who the guy was.

    Multiple pro forums have been on to that guy for years. If you hunt around you can find the threads and even some screenshots of all the videos he’s taken down.

    A few enterprising bored 121 and 135 folk even download the videos and post them in out of the way servers now for posterity. Or at least claim to. I try to catch them before he yanks them down and usually manage to.

    Quite a few of the screenshots, zooms, and video links were at those forums months before here. Along with even better commentary and snark.

    If anything this place and numerous GA FB groups and even snarky ol’ Reddit are way too kind to Jerry. Mostly because GA groups really only “found” him in 2020.

    His antics go back many years.

    Should see his old videos of how he talks to his wife as he prattles on for the camera about how great a pilot he is, verbally abusing her at any opportunity.

    GA forums haven’t even found those videos yet. My wife watched one with me. She was, shall we say, unimpressed. Haha.

    The series of videos where internet pressure got him to pretend he was using a checklist for a short stint — while making fun of them in each video — really impressed the pro forums too. They had super nice things to say about that. LOL

    GA forums are super late to the Jerry game.

    Vast majority of those old videos magically disappeared — long ago.

    I’m going to guess I stumbled across his detractors about two years ago, and I think @midlifeflyer has me beat by a couple more years since I’ve seen him comment elsewhere.

    The two of us are downright kind compared to the pros. I suspect it’s that we both teach and hold out unreasonable hope the guy will listen to someone someday.

    The pros usually begin with something along the lines of saying they’d happily toss him out of the aircraft without a parachute. They’ve been stuck on a six day trip with someone that bad before, and have zero tolerance for it. No interest whatsoever in teaching him anything or even attempting to.

    About the only thing I haven’t seen yet is anyplace running an official dead-pool on the dude with real bets as to date. Nobody truly wants him dead, but he’s constantly trying to get there.

    Mark and I have even commented that he does seem to have some skill with energy management, VMC... but his IMC instrument skill set and ability to always blame his avionics and autopilots in, what is it now, three aircraft?

    That is at pure “legendary” status at this point.

    Do I think he’ll survive? If he manages to purposefully or accidentally avoid much, if any, IMC to minimums on any regular basis, and doesn’t have any real emergencies while in IMC... yeah probably. He cowboys twins around at low level quite a bit, but does seem to understand his energy state when doing so.

    Anyway. Thread derailment but truly this place is kind to that guy.

    Should have seen the comments elsewhere about the videos he posted when flying with his brother in a jet. LOL. OMG I about died laughing. Never seen a better odd couple video of two pilots in a cockpit.

    The commentary was mostly about his poor brother having to listen to him the whole time. Brother made a few mistakes too, but was about three light years ahead of the airplane than ol’ Jerry was, most of the time.

    Those are worth looking up if they’re still posted. Truly bizarre. Mike has the patience of Job.
     
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    To be fair, a number of the folks in the pro forums have a strong anti-GA bias. They see all of us as unprofessional idiots. So they will take something minor he does and make it into a big deal.

    BTW, I think Mike is his brother-in-law.
     
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    LOL I had to think about the reply to this for a day...

    Some of us ARE unprofessional idiots.

    Hahaha. See: Jerry.

    You’re right about BIL. Poor dude. Haha.

    I have a pseudo-BIL who believes in chemtrails ....... o_O ....... we had a discussion about it once. He doesn’t like me anymore.

    I think I’ll keep it that way. Hahaha.
     
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    Not a one off, seen it in other cases.
     
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    The combination "Road May Flood" and "Low Flying Aircraft" signs have been on back order for several years now...
     
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