Careful where you leave your plane

Discussion in 'Hangar Talk' started by Hang 4, Dec 7, 2018 at 10:38 AM.

  1. Hang 4

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    Anyway for us facebookless ones to see that?
     
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    I think the County Tax Department took the video down after they got absolutely lit up (from taxation is theft, unclassy behavior, etc.) by everyone in the comments, lol.
     
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    I have the same problem. I opened a Facebook account a few months back solely for the purpose of looking at things like this. I used it so little, they shut my account down. Sigh.
     
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    Sorry about that, the story is about a business jet impounded by the Travis County Texas Tax department. They posted the seizure on facebook. They claim the owner owes $84,000 in back taxes.

    Got tons of negative comments and they reposted it with all the comments removed about 5 min ago.

    Perhaps someone with better Googlefu than me can get a public link
     
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    aircraft is registered to an Englewood, CO company ... Texas is fixin' for a war?
     
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    That’s a county that won’t get my business.
     
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    Hey..!!!!

    Who put that orange tag on my plane..!!!! :rofl:

    Austin. No big surprise. I would be willing to bet that the tax problem is probably over some property taxes and the property has been in dispute over ownership within the family, and has been in the lawyers hands for several years now as they try to decide who really owes the back tax.

    Or some crazy gazzilionaire left all their money to the cat..... and all the worthless kids (who all try to act as if they are from Germany and smoke cigarettes by holding them between their thumb and forefinger)) are fighting over the ownership of the cat.
     
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    Well, if you pay your taxes, no worries.
     
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    I know the State of California has people working for their treasury out patrolling airports and writing down tail numbers. If they see yours more than once, they send you a big bill for not registering your airplane with the state and for the taxes due on it. A friend of mine goes back and forth to SoCal often, and they sent him a bill for $$$$$$ for his jet, claiming it is based in the state, but not registered. He had to convince them it isn't based there, only visits.
     
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    I would think that would be a pretty easy argument, considering that aircraft have logbooks. However, if some bureaucrat really wants your dollars, I'm sure they will try to find a way around something as common sense as a logbook.
     
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    I believe it's used in a charter service, but the company is registered out of CO. Who knows how they're establishing the property taxes owed. The best part is, if the charter service is actually busy, they probably generate more in tax dollars for fuel/hangar rent/ramp and FBO services than the property taxes, lol. The county/city could actually lose money by seizing his property.
     
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    What do you expect to find in a logbook to use as proof? In the US we aren’t required to keep aircraft travel logs so it is anyone’s guess where it has been.
     
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    This wasn’t some low level flunky grabbing bubba’s jet. This tax seizure was pursuant to court order. The county had to show probable cause.
     
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    I thought the registration of aircraft by a State was made illegal. I know Arizona got away with it for a while...
     
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    Probably why the owner didn't bother paying taxes on it, lol. Just said F-it, they can have it and auction it off. Cheaper than paying to part it out.
     
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    We're talking California... I have dealt with the IRS and the Franchise Tax Board... The IRS was a walk in the part compared to the dithering idiots at the FTB.... it is almost like they do this to **** you off so you want to come back with your accountant and lawyer.. I would rather cage fight over a steak with a pack wolves then deal with those idiots again..

    And no, it is not because we're doing anything wrong, they just don't like seeing MACRS done by John Q. Public... they think we're all stupid... California Government and stupid in the same sentence... hmmmmmmmm......... maybe I am on to something here... just saying. :)
     
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    Texas and Colorado have never gotten along. I remember over 35 years ago when the Rocky Mountain News (RIP) had a full page "article" on "You know you're a Coloradan when..." One was "When you realize that Oklahoma was created as a demilitarized zone between Texas and Colorado." Or when the Governor of Colorado was caught telling a Texas joke in public. "Seems we had a visitor from Texas die while he was in Colorado. We couldn't find a coffin big enough, so we gave him an enema and buried him in a shoebox." This is nothing new. :D
     
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    The mob had the same thing with buying protection, just buy our protection and nothing bad will happen to you.

    Sounds like they need some folks in yellow vests over in that county.
     
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    We do it is called Antifa... but they are very misguided.... seems like they have just graduated from the Xinjiang re-eduction camp
     
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    Best I can tell, the owner was a defunct company (TNR Aircraft Holdings) that owed money (taxes?) in Austin. A levy was placed on the airplane in 2017 with the intent to sell it for taxes. In Nov, someone flew the airplane from Dallas to Austin where it was seized. Company address was Colorado, but corporation registered (and revoked?) in Nevada.

    Texas doesn't put court documents online, so I can't tell what else there is to this case. It seems odd that someone would owe so much money that it would be worth it to let an airplane go like this.

    OTOH, it's practically worthless to the sheriff because he's got no documentation that goes with it. What's the value of a nearly 50 year old corporate jet with no logbooks? Like nothing, right?
     
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    Probably has run out engines,and overdue phase checks.
     
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    I was thinking along the same line. Does the amount owed by the owner exceed the value of the plane? He might be getting a better deal by allowing the state to seize the plane than he would by paying the debt.
     
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    I see what you saying, get rid of the money pit.

    But if the sale of the plane does not cover the amount of the debt, would the owner still be liable for the rest of the debt?
     
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    Not sure about Texas, but normally yes. And if the plane sells more than the amount of debt, in most cases the state must return the excess to the owner.
     
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    Yes, well the "owner" is a defunct corporation. There's nobody to get more money out of, nor to pay it back to.

    What would be the price for this assuming a sale with documentation?
     
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    Even a defunct corporation is going to have creditors. The bankruptcy trustee will be along shortly to pick up the pieces.
     
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    The grandstanding video is typical of Travis County government. Taking down the rich bizjet owner shows they are not only following the law, they are also dispensing some social justice.