You can practice with any pilot higher than student, but you can only log time with the CFI or if the other pilot is an ATP FAR 61.51
Why the hassle about the right seat? The cadets at the USAF Academy learn in the right seat from the beginning. There's nothing sacred about the left/right seat.
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You were correct. Logging training time requires the training to be given by an "authorized instructor." 61.51(h). ATPs are authorized to give instruction by 61.167(a)(2) but it's limited to air carrier programs. It's a fairly common error.
Yeah, me too. But if you recall, unless you were very unusual (and if you are one of those naturals, I envy you), those first few times in the "wrong" seat were very disconcerting and probably involved re-learning how to land the airplane.It's just a comfort thing, personally I don't care, I've instructed enough in the right or rear seat that ether is fine with me (as long as I have flight controls
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They do indeed. But they are trained from the git-go to fly from that seat with stick in the right hand and throttle in the left, and the flight instruments and other controls are set up for right seat flying. OTOH, a Private Pilot with no training or experience in flying from the right seat may have a few difficulties with that (including cross-cockpit instrument reference and control reach). Further, there's nothing in the required training for Private Pilot which prepares someone to be able to evaluate the performance of another person manipulating the controls, deciding when intervention is necessary, and knowing how to intervene in an effective and timely manner -- that isn't covered until initial CFI training. As a result, there are significant risks allowing someone who is not a qualified pilot to fly the plane while someone who is not a qualified instructor occupies an unfamiliar position in the aircraft.
My typical response to a new CFI candidate who posts or asks about how to get used to it is, "You want to be an instructor; here's your first task - teach yourself how to fly and land from the right seat."
Sounds good to me. The regs don't authorize you to log the time but the practice is usually valuable.
Let's open another can of worms....Friend is PIC, your airplane.
You could (in fact, wouldn't that be a great name for an LLC owing a private airplane?), but you'd still need a 135 or 121 certificateI don't think I can claim the 182 belonged to Desert Nomad International Airlines.
Unless the friend is a Commercial/ATP with at least Second Class medical, it isn't legal for the PIC friend to put in less than the full direct cost unless there's a common purpose for the flight. Otherwise, the friend is providing pilot services for compensation, and that isn't within PP privileges.
Since the PIC in the right seat gets to log all the time, it isn't legal for the OP to pay one cent towards the fuel unless there's "common purpose" for the flight ("same day/same way" rule), in which case the PIC must pay at least half the direct cost.
Agreed.
And what is the "common purpose"? Did they both have a demonstrable reason to be flying to that particular destination on that particular day? I didn't see that in the original post, just that the Student wanted to do some flying and the PIC is providing pilot services as PIC, and that's not "common purpose" as the FAA defines it.
If your pal is a Commercial/ATP, it's legal for you to compensate him for his pilot services (acting as PIC for the flight). If he's only a PP, he cannot accept that free or cut-rate flight time since there is no apparent "common purpose" for the flight.
Different situation -- your Dad is rated for the aircraft so you can't log the time or landings. In the OP's case, the OP is not rated and cannot log anything, while the nonflying PIC can log it all as the only rated pilot aboard.
You're a CFI. You know what the regulations and the Chief Counsel both say. You can figure it out for yourself.
