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He didn't say anything about a medical condition, just that he let his medical expire.
He's a private pilot "exercising sport pilot privileges", since he doesn't have a current medical. Thus the SP rules apply.
Can a private pilot fly a MOSAIC LSA without a medical?
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Your second statement is true but I don't think my #1 is incorrect unless, I was working under the presumption that we are dealing with a private pilot with an ASEL rating flying an ASEL. If not, I guess it should be modified to say:
1. From a medical standpoint, flying at night for someone holding a sport pilot certificate or exercising sport privileges in an aircraft other than one they are rated for requires at least BasicMed. 61.329(b).
Or are you suggesting that a private or higher pilot, rated ASEL, who has a medical certificate or BasicMed is exercising anything other than private privileges? (That my #2 is also wrong?)
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I did read all this and by what I read, I think I would be fine flying but I am not sure if the FAA would agree, that's why I asked the question. It seems to me I should have no issues but I will admit, I may be biased when it comes to my own ability to fly, that is why I was seeking other pilots opinions on whether they interpreted it the same as I did.
I am a private pilot, ASEL. I do not have a current medical or Basic Med. As such I am required to operate under Sport Pilot limitations. That means I can’t fly at night or IFR. For either of those I must get a medical. By the way, I don’t have any medical issues that I know of that would preclude me getting a medical. In my opinion, I am fit to fly at night or IFR but I would not be legal.
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I’m saying that if you do not have a medical certificate or Basic Med, you can’t legally fly anything at night regardless of what it is or what certificate you hold. Your #2 statement is correct; if you hold a Private or higher and DO have medical/BM then you aren’t exercising SP privileges so it’s moot.
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Yeah, but that has nothing to do with sport pilots. I thought that was the subject of the thread? You know, those who, until MOSAIC, couldn’t fly at night even with a medical certificate?
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Maybe I missed part of the thread drift along the way, but this thread started out like this:
It's morphed since then, I know. The answer to the OP, of course, is, "if the pilot keeps his medical certificate or BM, he's not flying with SP privileges so nothing SP or MOSAIC related matters in the least". If he lets his medical lapse and doesn't go with BM, then he IS flying with SP privileges, so can't fly at night, but doesn't need endorsements to fly in B/C/D airspace since he received that training for his Private Pilot ticket.
A Sport Pilot certificate holder, on the other hand, does need training and endorsements for B/C/D airspace, and needs training, an endorsement, AND a medical or BasicMed for night flying.
Totally not complicated or confusing at all to anyone, right?
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Seems pretty straightforward.Totally not complicated or confusing at all to anyone, right?
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To be fair, while it is pretty straightforward, there has been a lot of confusion. (“I personally don’t understand” does not mean it’s not clear.)
I’ve done two live seminars on MOSAIC. The FAA gave us a nice chart (with one exception*), but the way I’ve explained it conceptually - and repeatedly while going thru the examples - is that there is a difference between sport limitations and sport pilot endorsements. Outright limitations simply apply, although some may be overcome with training/endorsements. No IFR or even VFR over the top, and there’s no endorsement to remove the limitations.
When it comes to those endorsements, the holder of a sport pilot certificate needs them. Period. When it comes to a private pilot exercising sport privileges, if you wouldn’t need the endorsement as a private pilot, you don’t need to get it when exercising sport privileges as a private pilot (in an aircraft you are rated for). Examples:
A sport pilot needs a special endorsement to fly an airplane with a constant speed prop. A private pilot doesn’t need that endorsement when exercising sport privileges in one because there is no such endorsement required at the private level.
A sport pilot needs a special endorsement to fly an airplane with retractable gear. A private pilot does need an endorsement when exercising sport privileges in one because that requirement exists at the private level too. (Hopefully obvious: if you already have the endorsement, you don’t need to get another.)
* The exception: the FAA includes a chart entry for a private pilot with a medical and the appropriate aircraft rating. Although technically correct, I think the very presence on the chart of a situation to which MOSAIC doesn’t apply at all is a source for confusion.
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