Best aircraft to fly 4 up with baggage to Bermuda

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  1. Brad Z

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    But you're right, more golf courses per capita than anywhere else in the world! A few cricket pitches too if you're really feeling sporty...
     
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    Check out KGPI on a holiday weekend, winter or summer. It looks the same. No room for us lowly piston guys as the jet jockeys have the ramp overflowing and stacked 3 deep.;) :D
     
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    Not so. I regularly fly my NA Aztec from the east side of the Continental Divide, where I live, across the rocks to the west coast. You can bet I pay VERY close attention the single engine ceiling and climb performance for the conditions on each trip.

    My calcs for the Aztec are similar.
    Assuming 4 people plus baggage = 900 lb payload
    At 10,000 ft I cruise at 160 kts TAS at 24 gph all in (if I am willing to lose 7 kts TAS to 153 it burns 22 gph)
    160 gallons of fuel is another 960 lbs (there's 177 gal usable capacity)
    If the OAT is +15C the single engine service ceiling at the half-way point is 6500 ft. with about 3.5 hours remaining to tanks empty in that configuration.

    The Aztec is still a popular charter hauler around the Carribean islands, but I too wouldn't be doing any 900 nm over water non-stops in a piston airplane either.

    If the OP wants to regularly traverse the Carribean, perhaps he should invest in one or the other of these: :cool: :)

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    Your analysis is spot on. But I learned that people who ask such questions usually are not for real, they often can't afford a decent Skyhawk, often aren't even pilots.
     
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    I even heard that airplane looking thing with four props will even allow you to fly right through the worst storms!
     
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    Whatever happened to the guy who needed a freighter capable of hauling cars in and out of 2000ft gravel strips ? He had just sold a 'courier business' and knew everything there was to know about air freight.
     
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    DA-42 and DA-62 are out of your price range, but those are perfect for the mission. The DA-62 can maintain altitude on 1 engine
     
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    I forgot about that guy! Interesting thought exercise though, other than ex military planes there really aren't many (any?) that will fit that mission... Although if money was no object the MIL26 may fit the bill?

    I thought of the DA62 as well... with a range approaching 1,500 nm and burning JETA it's a solid choice. Twin engine, with decent performance on one engine... BUT... you're still flying an unpressurized plane where weather, winds, payload, etc. are going to dramatically reduce your range profile

    If this person is serious about frequent hops to Bermuda and wants to go private I think you need to go jet. As much as I love the TBM and he utility of the PC12 is awesome the idea of flying for so long overwater on one engine would be a deal break for me!
     
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    For Bermuda, you really need a kerosene burner (turboprop or jet) and that might be a challenge with your budget.

    There is no AVGAS in Bermuda. Anyone who flies a piston there must have it shipped in advance which gets rather expensive.
     
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    I'd go with this.

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    That's awesome. I want two. NOW!
     
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    Aerostar. A few Aerostar owners have already done it. It can maintain in the high teens on a single engine (actual altitude depends on engine model, everything from 290HP to 350HP per side).
    With the aux tank, gross weight increase, pressurization increase I flew multiple times over 1100nm at 27-28K. Great plane.
    Shipping the avgas there will likely break the bank. It is a thirsty bird.

    This is what you really want:
    http://www.dornierseawings.com/

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    340. Still going to need a fuel solution.
     
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    The OP's mission is utterly unreasonable in anything short of a jet. Actually, its just plane unreasonable. Airplanes have to obey the laws of Physics just like the rest of us.
     
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    Are you trying to say the physics change with jet money?

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    Let's see, multi-engine; 2,000 mile range; 18,000 lb useful load....

    Yep, he clearly needs a B-17. Even more range if you don't carry a whole lot of weight in bombs, guns, and ammo. :)
     
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    If you're going that route then may as well get a -29 for the pressurization...
     
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    DA42-VI actually has a higher SE ceiling of 18,000ft.
     
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    So did this guy buy a plane and make the trip?
     
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    You'll need something that runs on Jet-A as there is no 100LL in Bermuda. That means something more than $150K... a lot more.

    Sailboat?
     
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