Basic Med....but wait, there’s more

Discussion in 'Medical Topics' started by wrbix, Feb 22, 2020.

  1. flyingron

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    The last AME is involved because HIS signature is on the certificate with the restriction. It matters little how much time or what else has happened in the interim in that regard. I think that's standard Joklahoma City proceedure to copy the last AME who signed you off. I've had correspondence with OKC (like requests for copies of my record) that generated a copy of the response to the last AME as well.
     
  2. Brad Z

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    I'm not going to speak for AMCD or their processes, but I will mention that FAA flight standards policy office staff have evolved in the last five years, thanks to a policy enacted by John Duncan. Back in the day, policy offices (i.e. headquarters) were staffed by people who were willing to relocate to DC (or in some cases OKC depending on which office). That created a self-selection process of only hiring people who were willing to deal with the headache of relocating, living in the DC area, working downtown, in exchange for more money (locality and higher pay bands) and presumably more influence.

    About five years ago, qualified folks out in the field could bid on policy jobs (i.e. headquarters jobs) without actually having to relocate. As such, the people who shepherd policy, guidance, rulemaking, etc. have spent time out in the field and may actually work out of a desk in the FSDO. This isn't just worker bees, many division managers are spread throughout the country. I think it's made a huge difference in improving the quality of people in those positions.
     
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  3. Larry Vrooman

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    That's encouraging. We had a similar policy in our department, where central office staff could telework essentially full time and/or work out of a regional office. However, the current administration has been eliminating telework as a matter of general policy and it's why I and many of the other competent staff I knew in our agency left federal government for greener pastures about 2 years ago when a requirement was made for all staff to be working in the DC office at least 4 days per week. The arguments that eliminating telework would hurt recruitment of knowledgeable staff, and that not grandfathering in existing arrangements would cause a loss of existing expertise fell on deaf, or just uncaring, ears.

    Let's hope the positive change at the FAA Flight Standards office doesn't come undone.
     
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    So it wasn't some ophthalmologist sending in a report. It was some pilot making an unsolicited report they didn't have make to to the FAA and getting the expected result but wondering why?
     
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  5. Brad Z

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    The good news is leadership is now spread out as well so they'd be forcing themselves to move to DC. For my division, 95% of our folks are outside DC. It's hard enough to find inspectors in this strong pilot job market, so forcing folks to DC would result in a bunch of retirements and vacancies.
     
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    Did you contact the RFS and sort it out today?
     
  7. wrbix

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    The “Program Analyst” I spoke with today seemed to not know (or care?) what to do with this situation, and said she’d have one of their doctors call me - still waiting.
     
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    Jeez...this “some pilot” has explained his rationale for doing this; and no, this was, of course, not the expected result. You always this retrospectively judgemental?
     
  9. midlifeflyer

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    That wasn't judgmental. It was factual (and I could certainly have misunderstood the sequence of events). And it definitely wasn't retrospective.

    I'm not saying you are a bad person for doing the wrong thing. It was a mistake, the result of lack of knowledge. But it was the wrong thing when you did it. if anything, Your initial post and the title of the thread was judgmental. You immediately blamed the FAA and inadequate BasicMed when it was your own actions which started the ball rolling.

    Obviously you didn't expect the result, You were dealing with a lack of knowledge, but it was indeed predictable. Note Dr Chien's comments. This happens. Usually it's not the pilot who gets the ball rolling. This time it was.

    Unfortunately, you now have to deal with the consequences if your own well-intentioned actions. Hopefully you get professional help with that.
     
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    Anyone can make erroneous assumptions about what the rules require. Some of mine could have been fatal. :eek2:
     
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    A quick update for those here who were supportive or concerned:
    - A telephone conversation this AM with a different program analyst at FAA SE Regional Aerospace Medical office led to her resolving the situation with an update to my file and her reassurance to me that the letter from CAMI, OC had been sent in error since I no longer have nor wish to apply for Medical Certification (flying under Basic Med).
    Thanks to all those here with positive and helpful postings.
     
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    Glad that worked out well.
     
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    Good to hear. Now don't EVER write to OKC again! :)
     
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    I guess you had it figured out in post #8 :)

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    In my business (which is jet engine type certification) one rule is that you give the FAA exactly what they asked for, and no more. Not a word more. Even if you did an engineering test that shows the engine is five times better than you thought, you sit on it.
    Anything you tell the government you may be called upon to explain at some point.
     
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    AMEN.
     
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    This is a very informed and well explained analysis of the nature of government bureaucracies. It is also true that the OP’s honesty and desire for clarity and completeness in this case was ill advised. Good intentions aside. The absolute least required amount of communication with the FAA Aeromedical folks is the best approach. However, a reply In this situation is required, and it appears that the first two items of inquiry can be addressed in a simple statement by the OP stating that those concerns are no longer a factor. The Holter monitoring request though should be addressed with a Holter monitoring report. Assuming it is normal and reads “normal”, that should be the closure they are looking for. I suggest this minimalist response first. If they find it unacceptable they will stipulate in a more detailed manner exactly what is deficient and what is required. In the future I would not volunteer information that is not specifically requested.

    E B Ferrer MD
    (Former designated FAA medical examiner)
     
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    And that is why I insist, for all the airmen on whose behalf I work, that all communications go through me. If the pilot or his Doctor, will not consider my address as “THE” correspondence address, I cannot work with that airman, and our relationship is severed.

    if stuff goes around me I cannot be responsible for it....sigh.
     
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    See post 51.
     
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    Out of body experience?
     
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    This. I’ve known and used that term for at least 25 years. First learned it in the military.