Can you get an ATP without a CFI or CFII?
Not sure about the new ATP, but before the rule changes you didn't need a sign off for the written or the practical, which is rather interesting, as I understood it, your ATP ME could also be your initial multi.
do you mean getting it without a sign off or getting it with out holding a CFI?
Poor post on my part...
Hypothetical
Pilot has PPC + Instrument rating
No multi
1400+ hours
Is there are clear path from this level to an ATP that does not include a CFI or CFII?
Sure. But you should get the Commercial. The CFI/I is never required unless you want to teach.
It's not like it used to be... They require some sort of conveluded course now I believe.
Can you get an ATP without a CFI or CFII?
Poor post on my part...
Hypothetical
Pilot has PPC + Instrument rating
No multi
1400+ hours
Is there are clear path from this level to an ATP that does not include a CFI or CFII?
PPCPPC? I wasn't aware there is a Powered Parachute ATP these days
According to Part 61, yes. As a practical matter, accumulating the number of flight hours required almost demands that you instruct. There are exceptions, of course: my very first student never instructed and the last I heard she was flying for United (might have retired by now...she got her private in 1969).
Bob Gardner
Poor post on my part...
Hypothetical
Pilot has PPC + Instrument rating
No multi
1400+ hours
Is there are clear path from this level to an ATP that does not include a CFI or CFII?
And no, CFIing isn't the only way to build hours, and saying it is forces folks who don't want to instruct and thus shouldn't instruct, into instructors. Lots of other places a greenhorn can build time.According to Part 61, yes. As a practical matter, accumulating the number of flight hours required almost demands that you instruct. There are exceptions, of course: my very first student never instructed and the last I heard she was flying for United (might have retired by now...she got her private in 1969).
Bob Gardner
Bob, I've nearly got the hours...out of my own pocket since 2007. All I need to do is burn another truckload of Avgas and I am there.
Ahh, I get what you're asking now.
Are you looking to work as an ATP?
No. Absolutely not. I just like learning.
The ATP isn't so much about learning new skills, as it is about sharpening and precision of already acquired skills.
When you get your ATP, you actually lose your instrument rating (but the ATP automatically gives you instrument priveledges).
I have always thought of the ATP as the Commercual level of the instrument rating.
Is the currency the same?
I think so, although most ATP's are likely under an airlines training program which may have different authorizations.
Straight part 91, as far as I know currency is the same.
Some insurance companies reduce rates to owners who hold an ATP.
Late to the party as usual.
I have an ATP and have never had a CFI ticket.
Go for it Kelvin!!
When you get your ATP, you actually lose your instrument rating (but the ATP automatically gives you instrument priveledges).
You don't really "lose" it. A commercial cert and an instrument rating is required to apply for an ATP, therefore it is implied that you have one when you get the ATP so the instrument rating isn't printed on your certificate.
Some insurance companies reduce rates to owners who hold an ATP.