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  1. Kelvin

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    Can you get an ATP without a CFI or CFII?
     
  2. James331

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    Not sure about the new ATP, but before the rule changes you didn't need a sign off for the written or the practical, which is rather interesting, as I understood it, your ATP ME could also be your initial multi.
     
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    do you mean getting it without a sign off or getting it with out holding a CFI?
     
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    If you meet all the requirements ,no sign of is necessary .
     
  5. Kelvin

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    Poor post on my part...

    Hypothetical

    Pilot has PPC + Instrument rating
    No multi
    1400+ hours

    Is there are clear path from this level to an ATP that does not include a CFI or CFII?
     
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    Sure. 61.123
     
  7. Kelvin

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    Copy on the commercial...I am reading and studying now...

    I just have zero desire to teach..

    I got my PPC in 2007 and am pushing 1400-1425 hours...I want to achieve an ATP before I am pushing up daisies. At 51...it seems very doable.
     
  8. Kritchlow

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    It's not like it used to be... They require some sort of conveluded course now I believe.
     
  9. Kelvin

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    I'll look into that. I was just hoping to not have to get a CFI...I know how bad I was as a student...I am not sure I can handle dealing with anyone as bad as I was...:D:D
     
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    According to Part 61, yes. As a practical matter, accumulating the number of flight hours required almost demands that you instruct. There are exceptions, of course: my very first student never instructed and the last I heard she was flying for United (might have retired by now...she got her private in 1969).

    Bob Gardner
     
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    PPC? I wasn't aware there is a Powered Parachute ATP these days
     
  12. Kelvin

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    Private Pilot Certificate..Shirley you didn't think it was a license...now did you? :D:D:D
     
  13. Kelvin

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    Bob, I've nearly got the hours...out of my own pocket since 2007. All I need to do is burn another truckload of Avgas and I am there.:yes:
     
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    Ahh, I get what you're asking now.

    NO, you don't need to hold a instructors ticket to get your ATP, half of our pilots are ATPs with no CFI.

    Are you just tryin to get your single engine ATP, in which case with 1500 hours (presuming you have the night/xc/instrument hours too, you're good.


    Now....
    If you're after the multi ATP, you're going to need 50hrs multi time, and a very expensive ground school.

    Here the ATP Inc, ATP CTP ground
    https://atpflightschool.com/atp/ctp/index.html

    Plus you'll need those 50hrs multi time, plus the checkride.


    And no, CFIing isn't the only way to build hours, and saying it is forces folks who don't want to instruct and thus shouldn't instruct, into instructors. Lots of other places a greenhorn can build time.



    Are you looking to work as an ATP?
     
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  15. Kelvin

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    No. Absolutely not. I just like learning.
     
  16. Kritchlow

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    The ATP isn't so much about learning new skills, as it is about sharpening and precision of already acquired skills.

    When you get your ATP, you actually lose your instrument rating (but the ATP automatically gives you instrument priveledges).

    I have always thought of the ATP as the Commercual level of the instrument rating.
     
  17. Kelvin

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    Is the currency the same?

     
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    I think so, although most ATP's are likely under an airlines training program which may have different authorizations.
    Straight part 91, as far as I know currency is the same.
     
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    Yup, same.
     
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    Some insurance companies reduce rates to owners who hold an ATP.
     
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    Go read the PTS, download the Sheppard Air guide for the written study and go get yourself the single engine ATP! If you have $5k you can go take the CTP and rack up a few ME hours to get your ME ATP.

    Or even better, go get 25 hours ME time and apply to any regional. You'll get a free ride to CTP school and they will give you your ATP and type rating for the RJ you get assigned to.
     
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    I waited till I have a few thousand hours to get my ATP, did it right before the first wave of rule changes, didn't do nearly what I thought it would for my insurance :dunno:
     
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    Late to the party as usual.

    I have an ATP and have never had a CFI ticket.

    Go for it Kelvin!!
     
  24. Kelvin

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    I thought we had had this conversation a while ago...I thought about calling you.

    I need to get the commercial knocked out...in looking..I have every flying requirement for commercial and ATP except the 1500 hours. Getting close on that...
     
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    You don't really "lose" it. A commercial cert and an instrument rating is required to apply for an ATP, therefore it is implied that you have one when you get the ATP so the instrument rating isn't printed on your certificate.
     
  26. Kritchlow

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    Close enough... Point is the rating is no longer printed on your certificate.

    Anyway, not sure if it's still this way today, but at one point an IR was not needed for a Rotorcraft ATP. I guess they would have printed it for that.
     
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    Pretty much IR is the last rating that gives you a break. Once you have 100 hrs in the plane, it doesn't matter much what rating you have as to what your rate will be. Unless you want to work using the ATP, the only things aging an ATP does for you is gets you held to a higher standard by the FAA when you mess up.