oregonboy109
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I always have one in my flight bag as a backup, though it may not be current.
I always have one in my flight bag as a backup, though it may not be current.
I always have one in my flight bag as a backup, though it may not be current.
I did my BFR yesterday and find laying out a sectional to be very satisfying when planning a flight. The screens in my iThings seem too damned small sometimes.
Was cleaning out the plane and the hangar today and pulled out a binder from behind the co-pilot's seat in the elastic pocket with four or five year old sectionals in it. I realized I have not looked at any of them in those years.
I said to myself "screw it, what am I carrying this weight around for?"
So I tossed 'em.
Maybe but stastically:
- Avidyne
- 2 430s
- Foreflight
- avare on the phone
If all those fail, Karma is after me.
That said...
If I am renting a 172 without all that stuff, I will bring the paper as a backup.
Maybe but stastically:
- Avidyne
- 2 430s
- Foreflight
- avare on the phone
If all those fail, Karma is after me.
That said...
If I am renting a 172 without all that stuff, I will bring the paper as a backup.
Was cleaning out the plane and the hangar today and pulled out a binder from behind the co-pilot's seat in the elastic pocket with four or five year old sectionals in it. I realized I have not looked at any of them in those years.
I said to myself "screw it, what am I carrying this weight around for?"
So I tossed 'em.
Whenever we get our hands on a real sectional chart, we laminate it into one of our hotels tabletops.
I always have a current paper sectional with me.
I know some of you younger whipper snappers think some of us more seasoned aviators are dinosaurs, but let me ask a question. If all of your electronic backups (maybe you have 4 or 5 with you) depend on a good GPS signal, do you really have a backup?
I always have a current paper sectional with me.
I know some of you younger whipper snappers think some of us more seasoned aviators are dinosaurs, but let me ask a question. If all of your electronic backups (maybe you have 4 or 5 with you) depend on a good GPS signal, do you really have a backup?
I always have a current paper sectional with me.
I know some of you younger whipper snappers think some of us more seasoned aviators are dinosaurs, but let me ask a question. If all of your electronic backups (maybe you have 4 or 5 with you) depend on a good GPS signal, do you really have a backup?
Plus they are always doing "GPS testing" which can reduce your tablet to nothing more that a yoke accessory.
When I made the post about GPS reliability, I was just kind of thinking about the book that was titled (I think) Everything I Ever Needed to Know I learned in Kindergarten. Remember the admonition "Don't put all your eggs in one basket."
I love GPS and not having to calculate ETE, ground speed, and all the other stuff. But, I have had my GPS lose signal also. Stuff sometimes happens. I like to be as prepared as I can.
Don't concern yourself with Karma. ATC is a better option. They will even read you the pertinent data for an approach.Maybe but stastically:
- Avidyne
- 2 430s
- Foreflight
- avare on the phone
If all those fail, Karma is after me.
Really? You consider a complete set of current VFR charts, IFR charts, approach plates, runway diagrams, AFDs, checklists, flight manuals and more, all a few touches away "nothing more than a yoke accessory?" What the heck do you carry with you??!!!Plus they are always doing "GPS testing" which can reduce your tablet to nothing more that a yoke accessory.
I do have a very old SFO sectional in my flight bag. Don't know why. I haven't looked at it in years. I have 430W, 696 (powered by battery and ship power), iPad (powered by battery and ship power) and iPhone.
Sectionals are good for planning at home with though.
- If my plane's power buss goes dead, I still have moving maps and sectionals.
- If my iPad over heats and shuts down, I still have moving maps and sectionals.
- If the Iranians hack the GPS and shut it down, I still have sectionals, VORs and the windows.
- If the Chinese attack with a huge EMP burst and black out all my electronics at once and I find myself in very unfamiliar territory, then I will bust out the old paper sectional so I can find my way to nice place to ride out the inevitable nuclear exchange coming. Being out of date will be OK. Mountains and airports don't move much.
It's certainly not a bad idea to bring paper charts to a checkride, although having electronic backups is just as acceptable, and I would argue that "I would call ATC and ask for help" would show excellent CRM skills, something that is already tested and will be more tested under the upcoming paradigm.A good question is: "What did you bring with you on your last Check Ride? Did your DPE ever fail your EFB? What was your backup. Go NORDO and beg ignorance?
Two words for the OMG! my electronics quit now I'm lost without a chart crowd.
Water towers. :wink2:
Sectionals are useful if you have an intestinal emergency. They can be used for some limited containment as well as wiping/cleaning and then removal through an open plane window.
The electronic chart doesn't disappear if the GPS goes TU.
I think this thread can be summed up as follows:
"Different strokes for different folks."