Anyone buying a Rivian?

Discussion in 'Hangar Talk' started by FPK1, Mar 18, 2022.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. bflynn

    bflynn Final Approach

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2012
    Messages:
    8,884
    Location:
    KTTA

    Display name:
    Brian Flynn
    Man, it's gotta be embarrassing to admit that they broke their truck by getting it wet.
     
  2. FPK1

    FPK1 Pre-takeoff checklist

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2021
    Messages:
    325
    Location:
    Orange County, CA

    Display name:
    FPK1
    I pick up my Rivian R1S next month! I reserved it almost four years ago...
     
  3. FastEddieB

    FastEddieB Touchdown! Greaser!

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2013
    Messages:
    10,991
    Location:
    Lenoir City, TN/Mineral Bluff, GA

    Display name:
    Fast Eddie B
    Enjoy! Let us know how you like it.
     
  4. 172andyou

    172andyou Line Up and Wait

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2015
    Messages:
    979

    Display name:
    172 Guy
    And if anyone understands how to bankrupt a company, it's Elon.
     
    DaleB likes this.
  5. Larry in TN

    Larry in TN En-Route PoA Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2013
    Messages:
    2,767
    Location:
    Nashville, TN

    Display name:
    Larry in TN
    Yeah, he's got quite the record. PayPal, SpaceX, & Tesla.

    As far as Twitter, he didn't buy it to make money, at least not in the short-term. He bought it to change how it conducted business, even if that cost him billions.
     
    Grum.Man, Velocity173 and Jim K like this.
  6. SoonerAviator

    SoonerAviator Final Approach

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2014
    Messages:
    8,085
    Location:
    Broken Arrow, OK

    Display name:
    SoonerAviator
    Eh, I'm not so sure he didn't get caught playing stupid games with the Twitter deal, and got forced into a buy that he didn't really want but didn't want to run afoul of SEC tampering/manipulation rules. I seriously doubt he cares enough about how they conduct their business to drop billions on it. However, now he gets to try and make lemonade out of the lemons.
     
    Katamarino and 172andyou like this.
  7. 172andyou

    172andyou Line Up and Wait

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2015
    Messages:
    979

    Display name:
    172 Guy
    Even if that were true, and of course it's an insane and baseless claim, it would only validate my statement in a different way. Deliberate or not (and of course it isn't), he's being very effective at bankrupting twitter.
     
  8. Larry in TN

    Larry in TN En-Route PoA Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2013
    Messages:
    2,767
    Location:
    Nashville, TN

    Display name:
    Larry in TN
    Musk has been very clear that his interest in Twitter is based on his opinion that having an uncensored forum is essential to society. That is his overriding concern, even more so than profitability. I don't see how that's even debatable. You may disagree with his goals, but he has stated them clearly and repeatedly.

    His business track record is similarly clear. He is one of the most successful businessmen in history.

    I used to think that he was crazy. Turns out he's just autistic having Asperger's Syndrome. He has done what seemed impossible several times. I don't know what the end result at Twitter will be but I can't bet against him.
     
  9. Velocity173

    Velocity173 Touchdown! Greaser! PoA Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2012
    Messages:
    14,340

    Display name:
    Velocity173
    Twitter was doing a good job at going bankrupt long before Musk got there. The two years previous to him taking the helm, they reported a net loss. He didn’t buy Twitter to make a profit and I don’t think he cares either. With his wealth it was just a little pet project.
     
    Larry in TN likes this.
  10. Velocity173

    Velocity173 Touchdown! Greaser! PoA Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2012
    Messages:
    14,340

    Display name:
    Velocity173
    Like LCID, I think if you buy RVIN today, you’ll double your money before the year is out.
     
  11. 172andyou

    172andyou Line Up and Wait

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2015
    Messages:
    979

    Display name:
    172 Guy
    It's debatable because you are only telling half the story. He also said that he wants to quintuple revenue, diversify revenue sources and double the user base. Instead he has made the platform and himself a laughing stock. His stated goals never including taking a multibillion dollar personal loss to allow toxic people to say whatever they want. It was always just pandering to the free speech crowd in pursuit of the economic goals I list above.

    Twitter was roughly break even and needed to downsize staff a bit to be sustainable. It did not need to be thrown into a blender set to puree and lose half it's advertisers. That is how you bankrupt a company, not rebuild one.
     
    Katamarino likes this.
  12. Velocity173

    Velocity173 Touchdown! Greaser! PoA Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2012
    Messages:
    14,340

    Display name:
    Velocity173
    No, Twitter lost money in 2020 & 2021. Not to mention they’ve only had two lousy years of profitability since inception. Either way, Musk won’t lose sleep over it. The masses (advertising) will return and just like Tesla, will return to profitability in the coming years.

    https://www.businessofapps.com/data/twitter-statistics/
     
  13. Grum.Man

    Grum.Man En-Route

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2014
    Messages:
    3,738
    Location:
    Sanford NC

    Display name:
    Grum.Man
    Twitter was a dumb move. You can't take a predominantly left leaning platform and turn it into a legit non biased social forum without ****ing off the masses who used it for corrupt political manipulation purposes. I suspect he either did it for the fun of it, or has some other motive. My fear for Musk is that he has stretched him self too thin and his products are suffering for it. Thanks to his open source sharing the competition has caught up in many ways. I think his recent price reduction is a way to stay relevant until something new is released. He is a polarizing figure who is as transparent as they come. Problem is his target demographic will abandon all their values the moment they are triggered by something they don't like. Save the earth is popular until the leader of that movement has an opinion of his own.
     
  14. Jim K

    Jim K En-Route PoA Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2019
    Messages:
    3,995
    Location:
    CMI

    Display name:
    Insert cool name here
    It's been amazing to watch how fast he's gone from hero to arch-villain to the left, and the obverse on the right.

    What were we talking about? Oh yeah, rivian. No, I'm not buying a rivian :D
     
  15. Velocity173

    Velocity173 Touchdown! Greaser! PoA Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2012
    Messages:
    14,340

    Display name:
    Velocity173
    The problem with Musk is the same as Jobs. People put them on this pedestal like they were gods or something. They also hang on his every word as if because he’s a tech genius, then he must have some sort of wisdom in all facets of life. Then when he says something that isn’t profound or god forbid, isn’t aligned with their beliefs, they get offended.

    In reality, Musk, Jobs, Gates, etc., are (were) all just cutthroat businessmen and if you dig hard enough, you can find some business decisions that aren’t very ethical. I find it ironic Musk has become a polarizing figure when really he like others (Jobs,Buffett,Gates) don’t engage in politics much. And while they might lean a certain direction, they're all known to go both sides of the isle. That’s what capitalists do.
     
    a572mike and Grum.Man like this.
  16. Grum.Man

    Grum.Man En-Route

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2014
    Messages:
    3,738
    Location:
    Sanford NC

    Display name:
    Grum.Man
    I like the Rivian but it's just too expensive for what it is. The interior is nice, but no more so than any other main stream brand these days. You can get a 50" TV these days for $250.00 so I can't imagine the screens being costly. You are paying a premium for a less practical car. That's the case for all electric cars right now though. It's the look at me I'm doing my part mobile without actually knowing the harm these types of vehicles are having as a whole. Most people buy them though like an old man used to buy a Corvette or a classic car from their youth. They have the money to burn, it doesn't have to be practical or useable, it just has to be fun or flashy to make them feel their heart again without sticking a fork into an outlet. That's now left to their car!
     
    SkyChaser and cowman like this.
  17. Larry in TN

    Larry in TN En-Route PoA Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2013
    Messages:
    2,767
    Location:
    Nashville, TN

    Display name:
    Larry in TN
    Toxic is as toxic does.
     
  18. FastEddieB

    FastEddieB Touchdown! Greaser!

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2013
    Messages:
    10,991
    Location:
    Lenoir City, TN/Mineral Bluff, GA

    Display name:
    Fast Eddie B
    According to Kelly Blue Book, “The average new car sold in November cost $48,681 – a record high.”

    There are a few electric cars that come in at or below that. With the recent price drop, a Tesla Model 3 starts at $43,990. And until March qualifies for the $7,500 tax credit. So not much of a “premium”, if any, right now.
     
  19. Grum.Man

    Grum.Man En-Route

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2014
    Messages:
    3,738
    Location:
    Sanford NC

    Display name:
    Grum.Man
    It’s hard to compare to a gas car. As for interior materials it’s not even up to civic standards. The base model tech is mostly gimmicks. A Civic SI starts at 25k so that’s a pretty big premium for a car that can only go 270 miles between hour long charges assuming you have a place to plug in.
     
  20. FastEddieB

    FastEddieB Touchdown! Greaser!

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2013
    Messages:
    10,991
    Location:
    Lenoir City, TN/Mineral Bluff, GA

    Display name:
    Fast Eddie B
    But that’s what you did just now regarding price.

    But not going to argue.
     
  21. JOhnH

    JOhnH Touchdown! Greaser!

    Joined:
    May 20, 2009
    Messages:
    13,567
    Location:
    Florida

    Display name:
    Right Seater
    I keep getting conflicting information about that. I believe the $7,500 "until March" doesn't mean the EV credit is going away. It means the current rules expire then and nobody knows for sure what the new rules might include. They may be better or worse than current rules. Of course though, with the current Congressional makekup, I'm leaning towards worse. So I'm thinking about a Rivian R1t before then.
     
    FastEddieB likes this.
  22. FastEddieB

    FastEddieB Touchdown! Greaser!

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2013
    Messages:
    10,991
    Location:
    Lenoir City, TN/Mineral Bluff, GA

    Display name:
    Fast Eddie B
  23. 172andyou

    172andyou Line Up and Wait

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2015
    Messages:
    979

    Display name:
    172 Guy
    Exactly. And in this case, Elon bankrupting twitter by letting the toxic people back on the platform, slashing the oversight team and disabling automated moderation.
     
  24. SkyChaser

    SkyChaser Cleared for Takeoff

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2020
    Messages:
    1,465

    Display name:
    SkyChaser
    I think the most interesting thing about the Elon Twitter-takeover was the disablement of the moderation. It was wild to see what people actually wanted to talk about, and most of it had nothing to do with politics. And I think he was right to allow "toxic" people back on, if Twitter was going to be a platform for everyone. Who is "toxic" changes based on who judges it, and quite frankly, creates a very slippery slope.
     
    mike1980, schmookeeg, Jim K and 2 others like this.
  25. Wingsofglass

    Wingsofglass Pre-takeoff checklist

    Joined:
    May 21, 2011
    Messages:
    339

    Display name:
    Wingsofglass
    Not for me. I've owned an EV for the last nine years and the only reason why is because an EV is way more practical, useful and convenient than an internal combustion engine powered car. And I'm happy to pay a premium for that because it is worth it.
     
    Larry in TN likes this.
  26. schmookeeg

    schmookeeg En-Route PoA Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2008
    Messages:
    3,849
    Location:
    Alameda, CA

    Display name:
    Mike Brannigan
    It's so odd how many disagreements in this country fall along urban vs rural lines. I wonder if it's always been thus.
     
    MIFlyer likes this.
  27. Jeff Oslick

    Jeff Oslick En-Route PoA Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2005
    Messages:
    4,917
    Location:
    Fullerton, CA

    Display name:
    Jeff Oslick
    Generally, yes.
     
    mcdewey, SkyChaser and schmookeeg like this.
  28. azblackbird

    azblackbird Pattern Altitude

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2017
    Messages:
    1,547
    Location:
    Colorado Boonies

    Display name:
    azblackbird
    Kinda hard to have intelligent conversations with people who think meat comes from the grocery store, electricity comes from the wall socket, gas comes from the gas pump, and lumber comes from a lumber yard. And yet they’re supposedly the academics. :rolleyes:
     
  29. Larry in TN

    Larry in TN En-Route PoA Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2013
    Messages:
    2,767
    Location:
    Nashville, TN

    Display name:
    Larry in TN
    I'm not clear on why you are the one who gets to decide who is toxic and who is not.
     
    charheep likes this.
  30. Velocity173

    Velocity173 Touchdown! Greaser! PoA Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2012
    Messages:
    14,340

    Display name:
    Velocity173
    Practicality depends on what you use it for. My Model S is very practical in cold temps in Georgia. In northern climates, even with battery preconditioning, you could have an unpleasant surprise at the Super Charger.



    Other vehicles, even worse. Take note at 16+15 he makes a comment about how the Rivian was there for 45 mins and left with only 79% SoC. Now if you got nothing better to do on a road trip and don’t mind spending that much time at a charger, have at it. The great thing about gas, it doesn’t matter how cold out it is, it’s still only gonna take a couple of minutes to fill up and go.

     
  31. schmookeeg

    schmookeeg En-Route PoA Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2008
    Messages:
    3,849
    Location:
    Alameda, CA

    Display name:
    Mike Brannigan
    Heh. In the interest of bridging this gulf, then, I propose we allow Teslas sold from a meat packing plant, oil derrick, or coal power plant to qualify as a "dealership" for those states who require such to sell cars. :D

    I don't understand states like mine who are proposing to ban ICE cars. It's not like CA is an only-urban state. A dude in Redding or Bakersfield (or or or) doesn't need to replace his F150 with a Model Y. If it's about carbon then tax the carbon (including the manufacture of EVs and batteries, and electricity generated). Sadly I think it's just about graft, same as always.

    Don't get me started on stovetops. :mad:
     
    SkyChaser likes this.
  32. GaryM

    GaryM Pattern Altitude

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2020
    Messages:
    1,880
    Location:
    New Jersey (KMMU)

    Display name:
    Gary M
    SkyChaser and schmookeeg like this.
  33. ArrowFlyer86

    ArrowFlyer86 Pre-takeoff checklist

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2019
    Messages:
    480
    Location:
    Chicago suburbs

    Display name:
    Previously known as "TWells"
    Rule #1 of social media: no independent thoughts if you want to be liked and accepted! Because how dare someone indicate that they might have thought through an issue on their own and come to a conclusion that's different from what was decided by the mindless, rudderless public mob! :eek:.

    But back to the point: No, I'm not lining up to buy a TSLA or a Rivian. No aversion to Musk or Bezos or anything. But because I think their cars are overpriced and TSLA's 25%+ gross margins support that idea... plus I like filling up my tank in less than 2 minutes at any number of gas stations. Admittedly some of the EVs are nifty pieces of machinery (fast!) with a lot of neat electronics, but I'd rather buy a cheap Hyundai and use the 30k+ savings for flying :cool:. It's just not the kind of purchase decision where it pays much to be an early adopter unless you just really like new tech IMHO.
     
    SkyChaser likes this.
  34. 172andyou

    172andyou Line Up and Wait

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2015
    Messages:
    979

    Display name:
    172 Guy
    I wish I got to decide. Not sure why you think I do.

    Pretty hard to have intelligent conversations with people who would try to generalize academics as not knowing those things too.
     
  35. kyleb

    kyleb Final Approach

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2008
    Messages:
    7,047
    Location:
    Marietta, GA

    Display name:
    Drake the Outlaw
    Legit question. How often do you do that?

    In today’s world, 900 mile drives happen low single digits a year for 90% of families. I’ve done one of those in 10 years.
     
    MIFlyer likes this.
  36. IK04

    IK04 En-Route PoA Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2018
    Messages:
    3,208
    Location:
    Copperas Cove, Texas

    Display name:
    LNXGUY
    Probably 7-8 times per year. In between those drives, I regularly make 550-600 mile round trips from Central to North Texas. The good news there is that Tesla is installing Superchargers at all the Buc-Ees and there are three or four along my route.
     
  37. JOhnH

    JOhnH Touchdown! Greaser!

    Joined:
    May 20, 2009
    Messages:
    13,567
    Location:
    Florida

    Display name:
    Right Seater
    Well, I guess that's one way to look at it.
    I look at it from a different direction and see a different picture.
     
  38. SkyChaser

    SkyChaser Cleared for Takeoff

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2020
    Messages:
    1,465

    Display name:
    SkyChaser
    My parents do 900 mile (one-way, round trip is 1800+) trips at least four times a year, and usually more. Last year, they did between 6-8. The year before, they did that many in so many weekends. (Granted, they were moving cross-country.) Growing up, we'd drive off as close to a gas tank as we could (4ish hours a segment) before stopping for a bathroom and gas break, and try to be back in the van and ready to go within 15 minutes.

    I think there are the types of people that drive everywhere and the people who fly when the trips exceed a couple of hours. So far, electric cars really only work for the people who either commute five miles every day/work from home, and don't do road trips or have the ability to charge all night, every night and don't mind longer breaks on any road trips taken.

    ETA: Clarification needed. Sometimes I post too fast and don't realize that people can't read my mind. :cool:
     
    Last edited: Jan 17, 2023
  39. JOhnH

    JOhnH Touchdown! Greaser!

    Joined:
    May 20, 2009
    Messages:
    13,567
    Location:
    Florida

    Display name:
    Right Seater
    That is just so wrong. Do you even believe what you just wrote? I really think you are smarter than that.

    But if you really do believe it, then I understand your skepticism. My best friend bought an EV BECAUSE he commutes 90 miles each way each day and charges up at night. He never has to visit a gas station. When he takes a road trip, they use his wife's Mercedes.
     
  40. SkyChaser

    SkyChaser Cleared for Takeoff

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2020
    Messages:
    1,465

    Display name:
    SkyChaser
    I don't know much about electric cars, and don't believe most of the marketing because
    ...marketing. In another thread, a guy said that if you commuted more than 50 miles a day, you'd need to charge every night, all night. I should have clarified that driving more is possible if you have chargers for every car in your garage and driveway.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.