Any Hunters in Here?

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  1. JB1842

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    If I didn't have a 5 year old at home I would keep a loaded 12 gauge under my bed. 00 buckshot to the melon will solve your home intruder problem. I'm still looking at mounting one in my closet above the door frame.
     
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    I was told one of the reasons for going back to the 9mm from the 40 caliber was that the 9mm Glock would hold more rounds and give the officers a better chance of actually landing a shot on the target. Still ... it's gotta be tough to get a good sight picture when there's rounds incoming ...
     
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    I used to shoot combat IPSC matches way back in the day. The field was pretty much dominated by 9mm followed by .45 ACP. And then there was everything else including wheelguns. Some of the guys were pretty good with the .45. I was okay with as long as the loads were light, but fared much better with 9mm. My own personal defense weapon is a 9mm S&W 39 loaded with Speer Gold Dot rounds. That's about to change to a Sig Sauer P226 once I get some decent range time with it.
     
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    There are under bed options such as the one below among others. There are also furniture pieces with RSCs/‘safes’ inside as well.



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    """""""Pre-war, or Pre-64? 1964 is when Winchester made a number of cost cutting design changes to the model 70. Pre-64’s are sought after-I’d not heard about pre-war being a thing…other than those would all be Pre-64s anyway."""""

    For a custom rifle I like the contour of the tang on the pre-war model 70, to the not-so-good-looking post-war.
    Pre-war tang.......the one on the left.

    Post-war tang......the one on the right.
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    Re traveling - safety is one thing to keep in mind, but the other is legality. In NY, my understanding as a guy with a hunting license, not a lawyer, is that while carrying a permitted loaded handgun is fine in a car, carrying a loaded rifle is not, and this may extend to a loaded magazine. This is a hunting law, but it applies to transport of any long arm in the state, as I understand it, in or out of season. Hunting laws vary quite a bit state to state, which is probably obvious.
     
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    Strange that my driver's license is valid in all states but if I get a CWP I'm told that it is not honored in all states. This makes no sense to me ...
     
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    Yeah, not to get political, but agree. In the sense that some states don't require any permit for concealed carry it may make a little bit of sense for those that do, but some don't recognize any other states.

    Back to OP...I wouldn't suggest a handgun for deer, but if you do, .357, .41 or .44 for wheel gun, and 10mm for semi-auto...and most semi autos in that caliber probably aren't suitable.
     
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    I've known a number of deer hunters to gather together with dogs and shotguns to hunt. My father used to get sideways over this method. He taught me it's called "hunting" for a reason. Take a rifle, track your target down, & kill shot it clean. He had a 30.06, and sometimes took along a Marlin lever action 44 mag. I've never hog hunted but am told that it can be rewarding and quite exciting at times.
     
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    If I were to keep a shotgun ready for indoor use, I think I’d go for #4 instead of buckshot… just to reduce the likelihood of unintended penetration of drywall and siding. But what do I know? To each their own.
     
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    That's why I don't have a shotgun in my bedroom now. My 5 year olds room is across the stairs from mine. Granted I would be aiming down the stairs and he would be in the back bedroom with mom if it came to that, but I would rather engage with a pistol first if an intruder got upstairs first.
     
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    No room with my pistol safe and my bow case under the bed already there. And who the hell knows what's under my wifes side. Probably clothes since she doesn't understand how the laundry chute in our bathroom works.
     
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    Claymore. No sense taking chances. The kid can sleep in Kevlar.
     
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    Just out of curiosity, why .458 socom and not .300blk? Seems like a much more reasonable home defense round.
     
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    If you really want to kill hogs.....just about any caliber can do it.

     
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    Man, I know they’re hogs but at least make sure it’s quick and they don’t suffer…
     
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    I would remove the magazine and verify that the chamber is empty. I’d then put it in an appropriate case and bring it to the range (I don’t want an expensive firearm banging around in a vehicle).

    I wouldn’t and don’t use chamber flags. Every single firearm is assumed by me to have a loaded chamber. I do not assume a firearm is unloaded until I’ve personally verified that the chamber and magazine are empty.
     
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    I think a pistol for home defense makes more sense. You have a scenario in mind as mentioned above but consider that if faced with an intruder that your wife or child may not be where you think they should be or the intruder may have already made the stairs and now (God forbid) one or the other becomes a hostage.

    Suppose that you are in the bathroom with your pants at your ankles as you hear a scream and you are not sure where either the intruder is or the scream came from. I only say these things to encourage everyone to realize that in the event someone enters your house the situation may be very different than you have imagined.

    A few years ago a female family member had her sliding glass door kicked in and she was in the shower when her young son came in the room to tell her he heard the noise. She managed to get him into a bedroom with her and a 45 semiauto and called the police. She told the police point blank that if he darkened the door she was going to shoot till the 45 was empty. They got there first and came in very loudly announcing who they were as they knew she was with her small child, armed, and scared. It turned out well and a loser went to jail instead of the graveyard that night.
     
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    I had blk and rebarreled to 6.5g…even though I was healthily paranoid about it I just didn’t like the fact that blk fits in a 5.56 chamber. Kaboom there wouldn’t be fun.

    Also, with 458S, it’s real easy to feel just one round in a magazine vs a staggered/double stack so there is tactile feedback on what ammo is in a spare magazine if I have to grab one in the dark and don’t want to use some illumination to visually check it.
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    Plus, there’s something refreshing about a 500 grain projectile quietly (and slowly) getting underway.
     
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    While your logic is sound, I can't wrap my head around an AR chambered in a cartridge with roughly the same ballistics as the single-shot carbines that Custer's troops used to lose at the Little Bighorn.

    Agree on not liking ammo around that is similar enough to mistakenly chamber.
     
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    Refusing to use a chamber flag will get you disqualified from a number of matches. You will be politely asked to use a flag, and if you refuse, you will be politely escorted from the range.

    Edit: the oldest CMP rulebook I have is from 2011 and it clearly states that an ECI must be used at all times, except during the prep and firing periods.
     
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    I guess this must be a fairly new thing. I've done lots of range sessions and matches, and the rule was always magazine out, slide locked back on the bench, or empty cylinder rotated upward. My Sig did ship with one, though.
     
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    Don’t blame Custer’s tactical and strategic incompetency on a cartridge that was used to decimate the bison population from 1,000 yards.
     
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    I have some 00 buckshot and a few slugs in the pump shotgun, but my house is configured in a way that there really aren't any walls that adjoin bedrooms and the main rooms are all rock or brick. However, the shotgun stays in the gun safe (electronic lock) that I can get into fairly quickly. We have the Beretta 9mm and wife's M&P .380 as primary defensive arms anyway (also in the gun safe).
     
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    FYI: #1 Buck has been shown to reduce over-penetration while keeping sufficient lead in the target and provides better contact area. A Mossberg 590 6+1 with #1 Buck secured by a wall mounted ShotLock in a closet makes for a decent house gun.
     
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    Hadn't seen that, I'll have to look at that. That's why we keep the M500 in the safe with the 18" barrel installed versus the 28" barrel. Kinda tough to swing a 48" rifle around the corner in a house.
     
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    Uh..ok? Irrelevant to how I store firearms in my home as we were discussing. Also not relevant to all matches....IPDA for example, wants you to show the safety officer that the chamber is empty, then they want you to demonstrate again by pulling the trigger, then they want you to holster it. There is no business about trying to load a chamber flag in-between those steps.

    Here are the rules for IPDA:
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    Shotguns for home defense have another disadvantage ... when properly used they generally leave a really nasty area that has to be cleaned up. Hello Service Masters! :eek:
     
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    15+1 in .40 will also have the same result. :eek:
     
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    My first line of home defense is multiple dogs.
    They are also a great alert system to wake me up at night if a stranger is present.
    If the intruder makes it into the house with arms still attached, my 30-30 lever rifles are always loaded, as is my daughter's 30-30s.
     
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    I think I see what you did there...
     
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    please not that I said "from a number of matches", not all matches.

    you said never use flags. So apparently you never shoot matches like require them (e.g., CMP and NRA matches)

    Checking clear chamber doesn't mean much when you don't have control of the firearm at all times. An ECI flag is a great way to make sure the chamber is still empty, even when the firearm has been out of your direct control.
     
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    Competition around here is shooting the coyotes off the back deck. If you don't get 5 coyotes in 5 shots, you are in need of more practice. At least that is what my daughter tells me.
     
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    Indeed. What a completely douchebag move. I can’t understand what motivates people to do such things.
     
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    It’s beyond douchey, it’s downright sadistic. Those guys probably shouldn’t have guns and definitely shouldn’t be allowed to hunt.
     
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    Agree completely. And I’m going to stop right here before I ruffle too many feathers.

    On another note, I went out shooting one day with one of my sons and a couple of his friends. Between his two friends I think there were five or six suppressors. I was pretty impressed. 300 BLK with a suppressor was amazingly quiet, and even a 458 SOCOM was pretty quiet. I’ve been threatening to buy a can ever since.
     
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    correct, i never shoot matches that require them, what is the point of what you're talking about here? My firearms are always under my control and as soon as I pickup a firearm I verify the chamber. This is plenty acceptable from a safety perspective given the context of my firearms usage.
     
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    Bang sticks are the way to go.
     

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