All examinees of DPE Edward L. Lane to be required to re-test

MAKG1 said:
Do you guys have any evidence of that? You guys are claiming around 500 checkrides per year per DPE, most of them new pilots. That seems ridiculously high.
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Maybe where you live. Go to Florida or Arizona or any of the high volume training environments. It's difficult to get a DPE scheduled. I wouldn't be surprised if in Florida some of the DPE's easily make 200K a year, or more.
 
KSCessnaDriver said:
Maybe where you live. Go to Florida or Arizona or any of the high volume training environments. It's difficult to get a DPE scheduled. I wouldn't be surprised if in Florida some of the DPE's easily make 200K a year, or more.
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According to FAA stats (http://www.faa.gov/data_research/aviation_data_statistics/civil_airmen_statistics/) the southwest region has ~17k students out of ~119k nationwide. So about 14% of the total. Nationally ~34K pilot check rides took place. So using 14% of ~34k, the southwest region probably had just under 5k check rides in 2011. That is about 14 a day for every day of the year. Using 200 days, that is about 25 check rides a day. How many examiners available for that region? I haven't counted, but the number could probably be determined using the designee locator here: http://av-info.faa.gov/DesigneeSearch.asp

EDIT: The designee locator returned 40 examiner records for private pilot for the Scottsdale office and 8 records for the Las Vegas office (both in western pacific region actually. Fortunately the number of students in the western pacific and south western regions are roughly the same for the purposes of estimations.)
 
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All these numbers thrown around make me wonder why the FAA doesn't take over the testing and charge $500 a pop.
 
Old Geek said:
All these numbers thrown around make me wonder why the FAA doesn't take over the testing and charge $500 a pop.
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Because the cost to hire enough examiners and pay their salaries/benefits would greatly exceed any revenue that they could make from it.
 
zaitcev said:
It's about how much an engineer is paid in my field of business. Barely enough to rent an Arrow from a local FBO once in a while. The biggest problem is that he starts to get hit with AMT at about that level.
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250,000 per year is barely enough to rent an Arrow from the local FBO?
 
zaitcev said:
It's about how much an engineer is paid in my field of business. Barely enough to rent an Arrow from a local FBO once in a while.
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huh? How much is an Arrow per hour wet?
 
zaitcev said:
It's about how much an engineer is paid in my field of business. Barely enough to rent an Arrow from a local FBO once in a while. The biggest problem is that he starts to get hit with AMT at about that level.
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In what field do engineers make 250k a year? I work as an electrical/computer engineer and none of my peers make anywhere near that amount.
 
jesse said:
250,000 per year is barely enough to rent an Arrow from the local FBO?
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I thought the exact same thing too.....

On the surface it looks like someone can't manage the money they have properly.:dunno:
 
Bob Noel said:
huh? How much is an Arrow per hour wet?
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$168 wet + surcharge. With "wet renter's cruise" ROP power it comes to ~$3.80 per 2 nm, although note that Arrow is fastest at 6000 ft, which is not feasible over our terrain. After the medical scare I decided to give up on building retract time, since I'm going to fly LSAs eventually anyway. So, I started renting Cherokees for $135 wet + surcharge. The travel cost is ~$3.10/2nm. When I went to MAF for AIRSHO, I took fuel at $5.88 and they waved the fuel surcharge. Then it dropped to $2.88/2nm, which is quite a bit cheaper than Arrow, even if slower.

Of course $250k/year would buy a lot of Arrow hours, but with ridiculous confiscatory taxes that occur at that level you aren't getting quite as much as people who count money in Mr. Lane's pocket imagine. Don't forget college age children, mortgages, etc.
 
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zaitcev said:
Of course $250k/year would buy a lot of Arrow hours, but with ridiculous confiscatory taxes that occur at that level you aren't getting quite as much as people who count money in Mr. Lane's pocket imagine. Don't forget college age children, mortgages, etc.
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ok. yeah, I get the difference between gross pay and take-home pay.

wrt college age kids, etc. Come on, priorities man, priorities. :-)

(says the single guy with no dependents).
 
zaitcev said:
$168 wet + surcharge. With "wet renter's cruise" ROP power it comes to ~$3.80 per 2 nm, although note that Arrow is fastest at 6000 ft, which is not feasible over our terrain. After the medical scare I decided to give up on building retract time, since I'm going to fly LSAs eventually anyway. So, I started renting Cherokees for $135 wet + surcharge. The travel cost is ~$3.10/2nm. When I went to MAF for AIRSHO, I took fuel at $5.88 and they waved the fuel surcharge. Then it dropped to $2.88/2nm, which is quite a bit cheaper than Arrow, even if slower.

Of course $250k/year would buy a lot of Arrow hours, but with ridiculous confiscatory taxes that occur at that level you aren't getting quite as much as people who count money in Mr. Lane's pocket imagine. Don't forget college age children, mortgages, etc.
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Anyone making $250k/year can easily afford GA if they would like to do so. If they've prioritized other things to be more important and consumed all their income then perhaps they can't but you can do that at any income level.

I do a lot of flying some of which I get paid for and a lot of which I pay for. I've probably paid a hundred hours out of pocket in the last year and a half at $170 per hour. I also bought an airplane (albeit cheap one) My gross earnings this year will probably be somewhere between 1/3 to 1/2 of that amount.
 
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jesse said:
Anyone making $250k/year can easily afford GA if they would like to do so. If they've prioritized other things to be more important and consumed all their income then perhaps they can't but you can do that at any income level.
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jesse said:
I do a lot of flying some of which I get paid for and a lot of which I pay for. I've probably paid a hundred hours out of pocket in the last year and a half at $170 per hour. I also bought an airplane (albeit cheap one) My gross earnings this year will probably be somewhere between 1/3 to 1/2 of that amount.
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Jesse -- You're one of the reasons that I like to read this board. While others are complaining about what can't be done, you've made yourself into quite the success. It's inspiring -- even to someone with a few years on you!
 
\__[Ô]__/;1011521 said:
IIRC, it was Fox News that told us 250K/yr is borderline poverty if you've got a couple kids in college.
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Then I'm waaay below the poverty line.
 
MAKG1 said:
And it really must be nice to live where the flying weather is always good.
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It is
"Phoenix averages more than 310 sunny days per year"
Vegas gets even more. our biggest weather concern is getting up early enough in the summer to beat the heat.

BTW... One of the flying clubs I belong to rents members our 172 for $65 hour wet.

Mike
 
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Did you try contacting the FAA Administrator and asking for them to create a reciprocity arrangement with CASA? That seems like a reasonable request to me.
 
denverpilot said:
Had a friend say he'd gotten a letter from FAA that he had to re-test for his pilot certificate under this blanket notice by the Las Vegas FSDO...
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That's unfortunate, I completed a couple of add-on ratings at Shebles' and thoroughly enjoyed the couple of classes and flights I experienced with Mr. Lane.

Although I never checked with him, I witnessed him pink slip just as many applicants as he passed, and based on the performances I saw, I would've hired him into my squadron any day.

Mike-
 
there wasn't much short about that short field landing
 
LDJones said:
Speaking of Eddie Lane, I ran across this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeCH26StT-k

Not that anyone affected by this situation isn't already familiar with him.
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Well, I just realized I know him after watching him in the video. He goes by "Eddie" which keyed my memory so I watched. Yep, the Shebles DPE.

I flew with him back in 2004 for a few flights. Fun guy.
 
oh i missed him saying he was going for the 1000 feet. probably lost it in the non stop rapid fire talking. the way he was riding the wheelie on the roll out made me wonder if he mistook short with soft.
 
alaskaflyer said:
Well, I just realized I know him after watching him in the video. He goes by "Eddie" which keyed my memory so I watched. Yep, the Shebles DPE.

I flew with him back in 2004 for a few flights. Fun guy.
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Not 'the', both Jojo and the old man are also DPEs, Jojo has a lot of type sign offs as well.
 
Soooooo...

Has anyone heard the real reason why the FAA slapped down Eddie?

:dunno::dunno::confused:
 
Hah. This video actually helped me with my airspeed on final too. He has a good way of putting you at ease.
 
N801BH said:
Soooooo...

Has anyone heard the real reason why the FAA slapped down Eddie?

:dunno::dunno::confused:
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Been wondering when we'll hear that, too.

Dude definitely looks ultra-dangerous in the video. ;)

Definitely enough to yank hundreds of certificates and cost a bunch of pilots lots of time and money. ;)

(Yes, that's sarcasm for the sarcasm-challenged.)
 
It would be interesting to know the pass/fail rate on the re-tests.
 
Henning said:
Not 'the', both Jojo and the old man are also DPEs, Jojo has a lot of type sign offs as well.
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Yeah, I didn't mean it that way. A few others too, there's a fourth who signed me off on my IR whose name I'm forgetting at the moment.
 
Henning said:
Wow, really? Got a link? I wonder WTF is going on.
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Which one is JoJo? Both he and his Dad are named Joseph Sheble, but I was just perusing the various FSDO DPE lists and the only one I was able to find right now (still listed under the Vegas FSDO) is Joseph Sheble II. I can't remember if that is JoJo is II or III. I do remember him mentioning a few years ago that he and his dad fell under the jurisdiction of two different FSDOs. Wonder if maybe JoJo is still active, but Senior hung up the spurs?
 
Fearless Tower said:
Which one is JoJo? Both he and his Dad are named Joseph Sheble, but I was just perusing the various FSDO DPE lists and the only one I was able to find right now (still listed under the Vegas FSDO) is Joseph Sheble II. I can't remember if that is JoJo is II or III. I do remember him mentioning a few years ago that he and his dad fell under the jurisdiction of two different FSDOs. Wonder if maybe JoJo is still active, but Senior hung up the spurs?
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Jojo is III, the youngster. Senior is actually Jr (II).

Hmmmm, I wonder if he's gonna have to give me another ride to make good my rating...?:yesnod:;)

Senior was pretty well retired a couple of years ago, more interested in going hunting with his new trailer.
 
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