ADS B and aircraft ID

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  1. blueskyMD

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    When I turn on my transponder ( GTX345 ) the N number of my airplane always shows up on the screen. So when I am in contact with ATC are they able to see my airplane ID attached to the plane on their screen ? or if I am not talking to them do they know which plane is that ?
     
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    The short answer is yes. Some 978 UAT ADSB Out may be capable of an anonymous squawk under VFR only, but if under IFR or if the transponder is 1090ES, it's putting out your aircraft ID along with the 4 digit code. I suspect the ID feature will come in handy when sending out bills to aircraft owners for user fees when that eventually happens. At least that's the way I understand it.
     
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    My GDL 82 UAT has "anonymous mode" available when squawking 1200.

    "Want to fly with anonymity?

    There are private pilots. And then there are extra-private pilots who want to keep their identities off the traffic screens of other ADS-B “In” equipped aircraft (containing business competitors, perhaps?). GDL 82 and its UAT technology can allow for this extra measure of identity security with “Anonymous mode.” Most conventional ADS-B devices are designed to transmit your aircraft’s ICAO number — a discrete “hex code” assigned by FAA as part of your aircraft’s certificate of registration. If you’re flying VFR, however, you can have GDL 82 set to mask your aircraft’s ID from being transmitted to other receivers whenever your transponder’s squawk code is set to 1200. ATC can still track you with ADS-B precision. But your GDL 82 simply won’t transmit your aircraft’s N-number to other pilots in the airspace."
     
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    Yes and no. Some facilities can’t see the data. But yes the data is always sent. It’s also stored so if a facility can’t see it and asks for an investigation it’s there.

    There’s one ADS-B device on the market that sends the reserved code for nobodies when it’s set to 1200. The vast majority of devices don’t do it.
     
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    Part 91 and the TSO for UATs allow anonymity. The others with Mode S/1090ES out are not allowed to.

    (d) Minimum Broadcast Message Element Set for ADS-B Out. Each aircraft must broadcast the following information, as defined in TSO-C166b or TSO-C154c. The pilot must enter information for message elements listed in paragraphs (d)(7) through (d)(10) of this section during the appropriate phase of flight.

    (1) The length and width of the aircraft;

    (2) An indication of the aircraft's latitude and longitude;

    (3) An indication of the aircraft's barometric pressure altitude;

    (4) An indication of the aircraft's velocity;

    (5) An indication if TCAS II or ACAS is installed and operating in a mode that can generate resolution advisory alerts;

    (6) If an operable TCAS II or ACAS is installed, an indication if a resolution advisory is in effect;

    (7) An indication of the Mode 3/A transponder code specified by ATC;

    (8) An indication of the aircraft's call sign that is submitted on the flight plan, or the aircraft's registration number, except when the pilot has not filed a flight plan, has not requested ATC services, and is using a TSO-C154c self-assigned temporary 24-bit address;

    (9) An indication if the flightcrew has identified an emergency, radio communication failure, or unlawful interference;

    (10) An indication of the aircraft's “IDENT” to ATC;

    (11) An indication of the aircraft assigned ICAO 24-bit address, except when the pilot has not filed a flight plan, has not requested ATC services, and is using a TSO-C154c self-assigned temporary 24-bit address;

    (12) An indication of the aircraft's emitter category;

    (13) An indication of whether an ADS-B In capability is installed;

    (14) An indication of the aircraft's geometric altitude;

    (15) An indication of the Navigation Accuracy Category for Position (NACP);

    (16) An indication of the Navigation Accuracy Category for Velocity (NACV);

    (17) An indication of the Navigation Integrity Category (NIC);

    (18) An indication of the System Design Assurance (SDA); and

    (19) An indication of the Source Integrity Level (SIL).
     
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    Yep... it’s all there on adsbexchange.com
     
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    Unless you were smart when you went to ADSB and got a box that doesn't send your private information when set to 1200.

    Funny how the same people who are all worried about fringe stuff like terrorists and mass shootings are 100% cool with having their N number broadcast to any person with a Internet connection or home made receiver.
     
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    The problem I have is that I fly internationally a great deal, and the requirements that are coming up from other countries mostly seem to mandate 1090ES.

    I think it's complete BS. I can't see them pulling this **** on car owners, but as we're a small group they feel they can bend us over and have at it.

    I rather like the idea of crowdfunding a PI to follow the head of the FAA everywhere he goes in his car 24/7 and post it on a public website, see how he likes it.
     
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    Don't the 1090 ADSBs pop breakers often when in the US?
     
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    I'm changing the ID to "FBI_VAN"....
     
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    I've certainly heard that it's an unusually frequent occurrence...
     
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    Already being done with plate readers. It’s just harder to mount cameras in the sky.
     
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    One major difference; where can I go to a public website, search for my neighbour's licence plate, and see everywhere he's been since he bought his car?
     
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    It’s coming. Not enough privately owned camera networks who are trying to sell their data yet.

    Or government will get sued when they try to keep the “publicly paid for and collected” data from the public. And lose. That’s coming as well.

    Someone will sue over that eventually who wants to sell the data the PDs and DOTs are collecting in databases.

    But much of the “public website” data can be blocked for aircraft today. The data that can’t be blocked is due to he lack of proper engineering of the system, wherein nothing on an RF-based data network is encrypted like it should have been from the start.

    Which means that a $10 SDR receiver originally made to receive DVB and TV broadcasts works really well to receive both UAT and Mode-S transponder frequencies and private data aggregators can easily integrate that into the FAA data stream of aircraft who haven’t opted out.

    What you have is a basic network security design flaw being exploited and a general lie about why the ADS-B mandate exists. It’s not safety. The answer is right in the name as the meaning of the letter “S” in ADS-B. The name doesn’t lie.
     
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    Also, if you live in a part of the country with a lot of toll roads and use use any of the electronic EZ-Pass type systems... there's a nice travel record for you...
     
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    I’ve noticed the transponder readers installed where there’s no toll road, too. If you look they’re around.
     
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    Maybe some facilities in the NAS have that ability, ours (large TRACON) does not (or at least it's not turned on). I was briefed at some point that we would be able to click on a VFR (1200) target and it would show call-sign/type. It doesn't happen now and no one has briefed us if/when it will.
     
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    Thanks Radar Contact
    Thats insider information
     
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    Yup, and it's all for your "safety" despite all those pesky facts and figures showing it doesn't make you any safer, like at all.

    Between ADSB, RFID, paying with plastic, non protected IP addresses, road blocks or DUI/SAFTEY/whatever check points, registering all the things, and stuff like this
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirtbox_(cell_phone)

    No one understands this anymore

    "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

    People remember history, they just seldom move past rote understanding to the correlation stage .. busting out those mad CFI FOI skillz ;)
     
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    If you’re worried about tracking, using 978 out not only allows for “anonymous” mode, but it also is far far less often monitored by the plane tracking “hobbiests” with the SDR receivers...
     
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    The hobbyists aren’t the problem. It’s those who set up the receivers for companies like FlightAware for a free subscription. And those are definitely dual band.

    Not a bad business model though. Build a nationwide receiver network for nothing. Doesn’t cost them anything to give away the subscription. They make a lot more off of the data than the person collecting it gets.
     
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    The folks setting up the FlightAware receivers _are_ the hobbiests... and FA really doesn’t care about 978.
     
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    I’m a hobbiest. My receiver doesn’t send chit to FA.

    FA feeders are just useful idiots.