A&Ps / Working under supervision

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  1. Tom-D

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    Limiting liability when the Owner is working under supervision.

    How would you sign off a log book entry for work preformed, when you are indicating the owner did the work?
    We know the FAAs views on this.
    what is the insurance/courts views.?
     
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    I just list the facts.....no signature
     
  3. Bell206

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    Part 43 directs you where to put their name and your name.
    Whoever signs the approval for retun to service owns it no matter who else worked on it.
     
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    Then the aircraft has not been returned to service and is not airworthy.


    (a) Maintenance record entries. Except as provided in paragraphs (b) and (c) of this section, each person who maintains, performs preventive maintenance, rebuilds, or alters an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or component part shall make an entry in the maintenance record of that equipment containing the following information:

    (1) A description (or reference to data acceptable to the Administrator) of work performed.

    (2) The date of completion of the work performed.

    (3) The name of the person performing the work if other than the person specified in paragraph (a)(4) of this section.

    (4) If the work performed on the aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or component part has been performed satisfactorily, the signature, certificate number, and kind of certificate held by the person approving the work. The signature constitutes the approval for return to service only for the work performed.
     
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  5. Checkout_my_Six

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    I’m the only one who can return it to service...so the other signature is meaningless.
     
  6. Bell206

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    FYI: true in one perspective but still technically required. It also falls upon the person performing the work to make the actual record entry vs only the approve RTS person.
     
  7. Fracpilot

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    If you’re an A&P, you’re correct.


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    yup....I am.
     
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    When I did some fabric repairs prior to an annual that were beyond the scope of "preventive maintenance", the A&P had me enter the work in the logbook myself, under which he wrote, "above work performed by owner" and added the entry for the annual and signed it off.
     
  10. Magman

    Magman Pre-takeoff checklist

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    People perform differently if they PERCEIVE

    They have skin in the game.

    Wish I could find my Bill O ‘brien article

    On RTS.

    Only fed guy that could really make sense.

    If you never met you missed out on a good one.
     
  11. Tom-D

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    Bill at one time went to all the FSDO and give his speech, I miss him.