91.119 Minimum safe altitudes: General.

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  1. SkyDog58

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    Maybe his neighbors will be happy that it ceases. While I don’t live on an airpark, I would like to live on one and if I did I would be more than willing to accept the noise generated by normal operations such as aircraft taking off, landing, and flying in the pattern. I however would be very intolerant of a helicopter operating in the manner described.

    As to no one waving at him, I’d probably wave him over to my hangar and hand him an ice cold beer if he got the nonsense stopped.

    As to how the FSDO would handle it, don’t be too certain of your theory on it.
     
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    And this is how the fun is killed.
     
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    I was flying back into our home strip in my neighbor's Beech 18. He made a low pass over the field. One of the (non-resident) passengers asked if that was going to bother the neighbors. I told him we'd be upset if he didn't make the pass.

    We have floor to ceiling windows on the runway side. My wife has requested that when the neighbors takeoff or do low passes they do so at below our roofline :)

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    I’m blown away that an aviation guy who opted to live next to an airport is complaining about aircraft operations.

    I’m speechless.
     
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    I knew a guy who was a tower supe at KHHR. He bought a house near the airport to be close to work and then proceeded to carp about airplane noise.
     
  7. Salty

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    Then you haven’t really taken the time to understand the situation.
     
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    Lol!!! I grew up next to a small town airport where the neighbors spent years trying to get it closed. I’m all too familiar with the situation.
     
  9. Salty

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    No, you are familiar with your situation, you obviously haven't paid attention to what I've posted in this thread.
     
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    Oh yes I have. Not much differerent than my earlier life.

    I say suck it up.
     
  11. Salty

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    Suck it up is a valid answer. Saying that I'm complaining about aircraft operations at a residential airport is NOT.
     
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    Okay. At least we can agree on a solution.
     
  13. Salty

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    You can stick your solution in your ear. :p
     
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    Sorry Salty, You're not gonna get a lot of love posting on an aviation site, about living on an airport, complaining about aircraft noise!

    QUOTE:
    "1. Is this action in compliance with 91.119?"
    UNQUOTE

    It is. During the take-off and landing phase, there is NO altitude limit over anything.

    REF: FAR 91.119
    "91.119 Minimum safe altitudes; general Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may operate an aircraft below the following altitudes:"

    QUOTE:
    "2. Do you personally think this action is safe and acceptable?"
    UNQUOTE

    I wasn't there, so I can't say for certain, however from your own description, it sounds safe, per the FAA regulation. Acceptable is a subjective opinion. Is the pilot flying neighborly? Doesn't sound like it, but there is some thought for consideration here...

    1. Once a year, you're annoyed by a helicopter making noise over your house about a dozen times or more, over the course of 4 hours.

    2. You live at a friggen airport! Airports can be noisy. What if I decide to bring a Lama or Alouette over there and do some pilot training for a week? Trust me, you've not heard a noisy helicopter until you've heard one of those things. They've got to be, without a doubt, one of the noisiest inventions made by man! Or what if Joe Schmuck decides to open up a new helicopter flight school and they're running all day long 7 days a week? You bought property at an airport.

    3. How do you know the helicopter is 300' above your house? What equipment did you use to obtain this number? And, does it even matter? Remember FAR 91.119.

    4. Because of the questions you ask and statements you've made, it appears you're not a pilot. Why do people buy property at an airport, a HOME no less, if they're not even a pilot? This is nothing new and has been an area of contention for years. People do this and then complain about the noise. If i'm mistaken, and you are a pilot, then brother you need to brush up on your regs, because you're way off base here.

    To reiterate...

    Here's the facts:
    1. A helicopter is operating an Easter egg drop
    Legal

    2. The drop zone, and landing area is less than 1 mile from a public uncontrolled runway.
    Legal

    3. The airport is a residential airport community with houses lining the sides of the runway. The drop zone and landing area is just outside the residential/airport area.
    Legal

    4. The flight path of the helicopter from takeoff to drop and landing occurs alternating between flying over the houses and into the downwind for the runway varying from 0 to 500 feet AGL
    Legal

    5. More than a dozen drops occur over the course of 4 hours.
    Legal

    6. The pilot occasionally, but does not always, announce he is "orbiting on the east side of the field"
    Legal

    As someone else so succinctly said, "Suck it up".
    PJ
     
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    Easter is once a year. Just wait till the community starts to recognize EVERY religious holiday with a helicopter.

    Then you'll be saying :"Get out of my sky" instead of "get off my lawn."
     
  16. Hang 4

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    At least it's not thanksgiving.

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  17. Salty

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    Another one that didn't bother reading. I already addressed most of your comments. My signature addresses another one.
     
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    I did read your post and I specifically addressed your questions, and I then reiterated your so called 'facts'.

    I can't help it if you don't like the rules.

    If you have a problem state it specifically and we'll address it.
    PJ
     
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    I don’t get it. Isn’t the whole point of an Easter Egg Hunt to actually make it difficult for the kids? Let’s just dump 10,000 eggs in a football field and let them pick them up with a wheelbarrow. :confused:

    Good thing it’s not an active Army Huey because that cupcake dressed as The Easter Bunny would be totally against regs!

     
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    I’m surprised you’re not flying your RC planes 300’ over your house and announcing UA operations over the radio.....
     
  21. Salty

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    Nice. Now your down to bare name calling. Not my fault you didn’t read.