4 seat kits. What's out there?

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  1. genna

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    Take off roll was just longer than other planes(not other Velocitys). Most would lift around 1/2 mark, the V ran about 75% of the runway. Or so it seemed(I was far enough away not to see the whole take off). It was actually shorter than I expected.

    Later, in a fairly loaded DA40 we took about 1/2 runway before becoming airborne
     
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    Yeah. Velocity's take more runway.
     
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    Agree, but not as bad as the reputation says. :D

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    I not sure all of these have been mentioned - here's what I know as the current 4 place kit manufacturers with cruise speeds over 200. Source, kitplanes buyers guide. There were a few that didn't have current websites and I might have inadvertently skipped one.

    http://revolutionaviation.net/foxtrot/ (Foxtrot)
    http://www.compairtechllc.com/ (Express 2000 FT)
    http://www.velocityaircraft.com/ (multiple Velocities)
    http://aerocad.com/ (Air Canard)

    You said no to the Lancair

    In the 150 to 200 category,
    http://www.slittneraircraftplans.com (Sapphire and Super Diamant)
    http://www.vansaircraft.com (RV-10)
    http://www.zenair.com (CH 640)
    http://www.bearhawkaircraft.com (Bearhawk)
    http://www.airplanefactory.com (TSi)
    http://www.bedecorp.com (BD-4C)
    http://www.glasairaviation.com (Sportsman)
    http://www.aircraftspruce.com (Cozy)
    http://www.compairinc.com (CompAir 4) <- seaplane?
     
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    Can one of you Velocity drivers help me sell a Velocity to my wife?

    After reading Bryan's annual inspection thread (we had 1.5 years ago a +$40K annual ourselves due to an unexpected engine overhaul and some other stuff) I am again increasingly motivated to replace our Mooney with an experimental.
    The problems is, that while we rarely take anybody with us, it's always the two of us + oftentimes folding bikes, camping gear, etc.. This means that we need a 4 seater. The other thing is that we want to go at least 150 kts, preferably faster.

    I know that this all points towards a RV-10. The problem is, though, that our budget is <$100k.
    A Velocity 173 or SE are therefore the only planes I can think of which would check all boxes and which are fairly common.

    Now, my wife particularly doesn't like that we couldn't go with with a Velocity into turf strips and that also the runway of our current airport may be a bit on the short side with only 2,300 ft. It also seems that the older Velocities don't have a separate baggage compartment to speak of.

    On the positive side, they are however a little bit faster than our Mooney and have two doors.

    Are there any other positive aspects that I am missing? I heard that the noise level is supposedly lower inside the cabin, due to the pusher configuration. The cockpit width is about the same as in a Mooney, right?

    Oliver
     
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    I don't know about the noise level (I still don't have an interior).

    The 173 sits higher off the ground, and has larger tires so turf capable. Only a 173kt airplane but a 50kt stall speed and 1,500' landing distance. The issue is the single clamshell (or top loader) door. Some have been converted to dual gullwing doors. That's probably what you want. Just watch Barnstormers, Trade-A-Plane and the other usual sites.
     
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    I saw this 173 with dual doors and like it: https://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?id=1482782
    I wasn't aware that they are turf capable and have only a single door as standard. Good to know.
     
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    Dick Rutan flew the original LongEZ off of turf many times. Something to keep in mind is that anything that gets kicked up during the takeoff roll is going through the prop. Grass wouldn't be a big deal, but small rocks are a problem.
     
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    Note: I have only test flown a Velocity a few times and done some short flights with a friend who had one.
    Velocity is much quieter than any other unpressurized piston I have been in (Cirrus, Mooney, Baron, Bonanza, A few Cessna...)
    Only a Cessna high wing was easier to get in; both the front seats and the back seats. However, I would never hit my head on Velocity. :D

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    Frankly, I think my wife overrates the turf strip issue, since we land on turf probably less than 5 times per year and only on airstrips which will be within range of the Zenith that we are building.

    I did some more reading and learned that the SE models apparently sit just as high as the 173 and have the same wing profile. I guess they would therefore also be suitable to occasionally go into a well maintained turf strip, if this remains a requirement by the boss. ;)

    How would you compare the cabin space with a Mooney or some other more traditional aircraft?
     
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    One reason for the longer takeoff roll in any canard aircraft is the fact that the canard has to get flying first to then yank the main wing up to the angle that generates lift.
     
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    The smaller velocity - of which I am building - is technically as wide as a Piper Arrow in the front seats. However, there is a keel that is 4+ inches wide between the seats so it feels smaller.
    Also, the sides of the fuselage curve in towards your head quicker than a certified airplane. You definitely should sit in one with the doors closed before committing. Visibility is not as good.

    Think of these airplanes as sport cars - tighter fit - looks neat. A lot of kitplanes are like that.
     
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    I agree with @Datadriver in that you need to sit in one. Like @Datadriver I found the SUV/smaller version of Velocity to small for me (broad shoulders, 50in short jacket). However, the XL and V-Twin (they have the same fuselage) fit me very well.

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    Never had to yank the main wing up to get off the ground on mine. It just flies off the runway with a little back pressure on the stick.
     
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    @Datadriver Thank you. I discussed this with my wife, but failed in convincing her that a Velocity would be a good choice. I guess we'll either end up with a 2-seat RV or continue to fly our Mooney.
     
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    I sat in a Ovation and Velocity (Xl I think) on the same day. Ovation is a lot more cramped for me. Panel is too close. Sitting position is similar. I’m only 5-6.
     
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