140s also left the factory with fabric wings just like the '48 170s. The metalized wings were done later by STC or Field Approval.
No, it is a 120 with an electrical system.
Yes. It's the 140A that had metal wings from the factory -- but that was the later semi-tapered, single-strut design, sorta like a C-150 wing with the small C-170A flap.
As built, the C-120 did not have the 140's cabin window behind the door. Many have been retrofitted over the years, however. [whoops; Capt. Thorpe beat me to it!
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It's still priced too high. The nicest 140s seem to be going for $24K and this one isn't as nice as those.
No, it's a 120 with electrical added. Still a 120!
Not exactly true. The biggest difference if flaps. The 140 had them, the 120 didn't.
And the 140 had the "D" window in the baggage area. I understand that it was an option on the 120s. A lot of 120s have had them added over the years. Then of course there's the 140A model which came out with a factory metal wing and the plane was eventually put up on tricycle gear to become the early 150s.
I think hands down an 8F! I owned a metalized 140 once and I think that's a big mistake. Too much added weight and it almost never looks right. If I was comparing the two, I would compare the 8F and the 140A, then it would be a close race that I think the 140A would win. A little more room inside than a Luscombe.So, who would win in a fight, a metalized 140 with an O200, or an 8F with a C90?
Not trying to argue, but saying one is a "natural evolution" isn't correct. They were released at the same time. How did one evolve from the other. The 120 was basically a cheaper version without electrical, flaps, or the D window.
I'm 6', 215 lbs. I fit fine. With another guy my size, it's not comfortable and as others have mentioned with 85hp it's very sluggish on takeoff. I have a cruise prop though, with a climb prop they're a lot better and you only lose a few mph.
I very rarely use my flaps. When I want a very short landing, I do think they help, but not much!
Um, I've got close to 1000 hours tailwheel and my plane still has the extenders and I don't find them THAT offensive. The plane handles fine with them or without them if properly rigged.
Yeah, but you haven't flown one without them right? They're ugly, they're added weight, they cause torsion loads on the gearboxes, and Jack will make fun of your training wheels! Any one of these things should make you remove them! Of course I'm giving you crap since you're my friend, but in reality, the plane will amaze you at how much better it handles on the ground and how much lighter the tail is.
I have flown one without them out of the three 120s I've flown. I'm NOT saying everyone should put them on, and mine are coming off eventually, but it's not the end of the world. Ie. my main point is that I wouldn't want someone to not buy a 120/140 because it had the extenders currently installed.
I agree completely. Buy the plane, take them off! As you know, this is a hot topic on the 120/140 forums. Most of us seem to hate them. On a 1947 or newer plane, it is critical that they come off. They were never intended to be on there, they're not legal and will cause you issues. On the 1946 planes, it's just an opinion that I share!
Mine ( 1947 120 ) came with them ON , I was having trouble staying straight . Took them Off and THAT DAY it all came together for me ... coincidence ?? Not sure , but they will NOT go back on !
That was one of the first things (along with adding the shoulder harness) that I did to my 170 when I bought it.
No, that is indeed the correct installation for the glass gascolator on the 120/140/170sThere's a photo of the firewall and the fuel strainer is visible. Is it just me or is that thing installed upside down?
That's correct, just a different style. That's how mine looks. This is not mine, but here's one listed on Ebay that is like mine. You can see the drain valve would be on the bottom.There's a photo of the firewall and the fuel strainer is visible. Is it just me or is that thing installed upside down?
The gascolator is correct, It's the mufflers that are wrong. these are better, but not OEM.
, I simply don't fold up that small any more.