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I loved this website. Can the fuel prices on airnav.com be trusted?
 

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Depends. There are prices on Airnav that are updated by the FBO, guaranteed prices and other prices that are updated by pilots. Some of the pilot posted prices can be quite outdated. Check the dates by the prices.
 
MountainDude said:
I loved this website. Can the fuel prices on airnav.com be trusted?
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I generally check ForeFlight first, but both now tell you when their prices were last updated so you can tell what the quality of the information is.

Jim_R said:
Was there something magical about 100ll.com that made its information infallable?
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There was at least one service at one point - Not sure if it was 100LL.com or not - that actually had people calling around to get fuel prices updated as opposed to crowdsourcing it.
 
flyingcheesehead said:
I generally check ForeFlight first, but both now tell you when their prices were last updated so you can tell what the quality of the information is.


There was at least one service at one point - Not sure if it was 100LL.com or not - that actually had people calling around to get fuel prices updated as opposed to crowdsourcing it.
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I *think* you're talking about Rampfee.me, Mike Brannigan's ( @schmookeeg )effort to create an online resource to lift the veil from airport fee policies; he paid people to call FBOs. It did not achieve the momentum he sought, I don't think. In any event, it ain't around no mo'.
 
SCCutler said:
I *think* you're talking about Rampfee.me, Mike Brannigan's ( @schmookeeg )effort to create an online resource to lift the veil from airport fee policies; he paid people to call FBOs. It did not achieve the momentum he sought, I don't think. In any event, it ain't around no mo'.
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No, this was definitely fuel prices. It had a subscription fee for funding.
 
SCCutler said:
I *think* you're talking about Rampfee.me, Mike Brannigan's ( @schmookeeg )effort to create an online resource to lift the veil from airport fee policies
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Wow, didn't know the creator of rampfee.me was among us. Very unfortunate that it didn't work out, it was a lifesaver for me multiple times.
 
SCCutler said:
Ah. Wrong again.

Ask my wife, she'll tell you: common occurrence!
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Well, turns out I was wrong too. It was 100LL.com that made phone calls at one point, but the shutdown message says they never had a subscription fee. I coulda sworn they did, and that's why I didn't use it. :dunno:
 
In the early days (2008-2010ish?) Airnav called us every few weeks or so for fuel pricing. They never charged end-users that I'm aware of though.
 
schmookeeg said:
In the early days (2008-2010ish?) Airnav called us every few weeks or so for fuel pricing. They never charged end-users that I'm aware of though.
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They had a subscription service, Airboss, still do, I guess. You had to subscribe to use the app, but that got dropped shortly thereafter and the app was free.

I got a few discounts from Airboss here and there. Seemed to me, though, that Mike B's breakdown service was a better way to spend the money.
 
Richman67 said:
They had a subscription service, Airboss, still do, I guess. You had to subscribe to use the app, but that got dropped shortly thereafter and the app was free.

I got a few discounts from Airboss here and there. Seemed to me, though, that Mike B's breakdown service was a better way to spend the money.
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The airboss was to get a discount at airports that participated. The prices for airboss and without were available for free. I had it for a short term as the nearby airport (14A) had the Airboss discount. I let it drop after a bit.
 
flyingcheesehead said:
I generally check ForeFlight first, but both now tell you when their prices were last updated so you can tell what the quality of the information is.


There was at least one service at one point - Not sure if it was 100LL.com or not - that actually had people calling around to get fuel prices updated as opposed to crowdsourcing it.
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Global Air and AirNav do that.
 
AirportNotes.com is trying to do that, as far as crowd sourcing. They just need the volume of users to actually update the prices, since they are new. But not just fuel, but restaurants, events, hotels, etc.
 
mladd said:
They just need the volume of users to actually update the prices, since they are new. But not just fuel, but restaurants, events, hotels, etc.
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They are also probably the 20th project to attempt this and 'just' needed volume to succeed. Including, maybe, the OG. https://www.100dollarhamburger.com/

I wish them all the luck in the world. I'd love to see this problem solved. And I'll believe it when I see it. :-(
 
Yeah, crowdsourcing somehow doesn't work with the pilot community. Maybe when the creepy smartglasses finally take off, a resident app to listen to FBO staff or watch for receipts will do the trick for us :D
 
schmookeeg said:
Yeah, crowdsourcing somehow doesn't work with the pilot community. Maybe when the creepy smartglasses finally take off, a resident app to listen to FBO staff or watch for receipts will do the trick for us :D
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Just not enough of us, I think.

If 1% of car drivers contribute to GasBuddy, you get about 2.5 Million, same % of pilots is 8 thousand. I suspect the actual data contributor % is much lower.
 
Foreflight has lodging, car rental and restaurants for many airports, FWIW. They must be doing it automatically, since there is no crowd sourcing option. And, of course, they also have fuel prices as was pointed out earlier. I don't know how a crowdsourced effort could possibly gain traction given that the problem is mostly solved by EFDs that are used by most pilots wanting this information.
 
172andyou said:
They are also probably the 20th project to attempt this and 'just' needed volume to succeed. Including, maybe, the OG. https://www.100dollarhamburger.com/

I wish them all the luck in the world. I'd love to see this problem solved. And I'll believe it when I see it. :-(
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Yep... It seems like every few years there's someone else that tries this. Some excitement gets built up among those who haven't seen it fail a million times, some content appears on the site, it gets used a bit, not enough updates happen, then it gets out of date, people use it less, and it just kinda sits there.

funplacestofly.com is/was another good one.
 
schmookeeg said:
Yeah, crowdsourcing somehow doesn't work with the pilot community. Maybe when the creepy smartglasses finally take off, a resident app to listen to FBO staff or watch for receipts will do the trick for us :D
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They should like&subscribe to all those YouTube videos and have AI scrape the screencaps for fuel prices. A win-win situation!
 
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