Because the idiots post about it on Facebook, Reddit, etc...
Whoever is the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for which they are rated (and "rated" does not mean "endorsed") may log the time under 61.51(e)(1)(i).
Oh, I'm quite sure a lot of things happen, it's just frustrating when the assumption is that everyone does it.
It would be absurd if it could be done.
When I did practice approaches in my CFII's bonanza a couple years ago he had one of his ifr students riding in the back seat as a tag along who I thought just wanted to go flying. At the conclusion of the flight he asked if he could log any time for it...
Isn't it funny? Overt cases like this people are like "NBD, benefit of the doubt, probably legit".
Yep. It’s a joke
Again, following along on the thread, I am not accusing every one of doing this. I said legitimate safety pilot time is great. Two Private Pilot level pilots flying a 172 and both logging PIC while neither are under the hood so they can “split time” is two very different things, which was the intent of this thread.
This is exactly what a DPE explained to me recently!
Great idea! One of the most important things to show is that, when you are the safety pilot, you are NOT logging all the time. Only the time where the flying pilot is under the hood is loggable by the safety pilot. So, a 1.5 leg while you're pilot flying is 1.5 in the log, while a 1.5 leg as safety pilot might only be 1.1 in the log (figuring 0.3 of taxi/runup/whatever ground time, and 0.1 of airborne time before/after the PF has the foggles on).
Legit advice! Thank you
I always say that becoming an IP was the best overall learning experience that happened to my career. You’re forced to stay in the books and in the flying part, you're forced to fly a precise profile and must always stay ahead of the student.
When I left the Air Force, I had just a few hours less than 1,500. But hundreds of those hours were in the right seat of a C-130 droning along for miles and miles with the autopilot turned on. Perhaps less useful than a CFI in the right seat of a Skyhawk giving primary instruction. Of course, the 1,500 requirement didn't exist back then.
I agree. For a long time recently, I was working with CFIs who just got out of school and have very little real-world experience. The only cross-country time they had was what was required for their ratings. They never flew in bad weather. Most had never been inside Class B airspace. And now they are the ones teaching the next group that will never benefit from the old guys who have been around the block a few times.
That’s more about the individual than how they built time. I know lots of pilots who were flight instructors and can’t do a W&B to save their lives. Or any number of other operations that one would expect of a professional pilot.
Yeah and I guess the same could be said about an E6B. Most of us knew it at one time but over the years has become less important and we flush most of that. Thus particular guy though, I don’t think he ever understood the basics to begin with and has relied on automation.
Not just those esoteric skills…what about the basics of a stabilized approach?
Convincing themselves doesn’t mean it can legally be done (yes, I meant can’t be done legally.) We know people do all sorts of things.
Last year, an acquaintance from my hangar caught a ride with me. He knew I would be flying by a Bravo that had a cheap direct flight out to Cali, and he asked if I could drop him. I said sure. Weather was going to be near mins at his dropoff, but no convective, no ice, big int'l airport with long wide runways, and he was (is) a CFII, so I was like awesome, two seasoned IR pilots, no problem. After an uneventful 3-hour flight, we broke out maybe 50' above the ILS min. After we landed, he said it was his first Bravo landing and the closest he'd ever gotten to mins in actual. That caught me off guard.
They wear a view limiting device. Nowhere does the FAR state that you have to also do gyrations to avoid any view of outside.
While I am sure that some people have and will cheat. I think that the majority will play by the rules.
If I can see outside the cockpit it's not really a view limiting device though is it? I mean if I'm seeing outside anyway, I suppose I could just wear foggles on a lanyard saying I'm wearing a view limiting device.
Log time while taking a nap? Sign me up!
There are airplanes that have ways to curtain off the windscreen. We flew simulated instrument in the T-38 from the back seat with the canopy completely screened. Much nicer than foggles or a hood.Maybe I should just tape a black garbage bag over my half of the the windscreen and side window.
ahh... the foggles I have allow me to have my head straight up while i look down at the instruments. Are you having to tilt your head down to avoid seeing outside? Does it still bother you to have your head positioned straight forward and just avert your eyes downward? When they first put me under an actual hood, I got sick in the plane because it was too tight around my head and i also had to tilt my head downward. Since gettin my foggles I have neither problem. Could be your height tho...if you're tall I could see you having to tilt your head a bit.
Yup you're tall lol. Mybad.
