“Real ID” what are we fixing here?

[hindsight2020]

Ask the guy in the Costa Rica prison! He is legal…

-Skip

El Salvador.

Who?

Kilmar Abrego García.

In the context of things I'm willing to get banned for, this sliperry slope is one of them. Nothing more I loathe as a military member than people uttering "if you're **innocent you got nothing to fear" like they got their own situation on point. Jaguar enclosure cleaners if I ever saw any.
(**historically a euphemism for 'you sound, look and hold beliefs like ME')

Bringing up Abrego into a Real ID conversation is a red herring anyways: Due process is not reserved for only citizens, at least not in the Constitution I swore an oath to. IBTL.

 

[Rick A]

I figure the current FAA push for real ID is based upon the desire of the Federal Government to ultimately standardize the States methods of qualifying voters who come out of the shadows to vote in General elections. Too many States issue drivers' licenses (and other forms of fluffy identifications) to non-citizens, criminals, etc., who are currently able to vote in Federal elections.

In order to begin fixing the problem of non-citizens voting for President and other Federal positions they must first determine who is eligible to receive a ballot. Using the peoples' strong desire to travel via the airlines (worked during the COVID debacle) travelers eagerly supply whatever paper is requested to keep that "privilege" readily available.

Hopefully, the next step following Real-ID is cleaning up election fraud. Easy to implement process improvements (like Federal standardization of paper to be used for in-person ballots, watermarks, traceability, etc.) can then be used per Federal directives.

Let the states conduct their own State elections however they want. But corrupt state elections that determine who become Federal politicians holding power and making decisions that affect people in other states (like me), must be made to be legal, efficient, transparent, and honest. If Real ID is intending as a first step to help make this possible, I'm all for it.

 

[tspear]

What gives?

Been seeing tons of commercials about we need real ID to get on a domestic airline, and it’s so easy to get etc

I’m just over here wondering “why”

So it proves you’re a US citizen, thing is you don’t need to be a US citizen to hop on these domestic airline flights

So aside from cross pollinating even more of my personal data, what issue did this fix for the flying public and Main Street?


Personally, the only ID I show is my passport card as it has the bare minimum info on it, no one has a valid reason to know my address, the people who need to know my address already know it, same with lots of the other info on and in your drivers license.

Very simple. TSA wanted to require passports or visa card such as the well know greencard which is not green.
Congress heard a lot of complaints about the concept. The solution; was for TSA to require any ID offered to meet the same requirements. This moved the burden of issuance and maintenance to the states by effectively requiring states to have a driver's license which meets the requirements, and off the federal state department.

Tim

 

[billsgs126]

"Your papers please."

You must say that in a corny German accent.

 

[cowman]

I still don't feel safe... seems like at a minimum there should be a full retinal, DNA, and rectal examination.

 

[EdFred]

I still don't feel safe... seems like at a minimum there should be a full retinal, DNA, and rectal examination.

Shades of Human Centipede if multiple exams done concurrently.

 

[Skip Miller]

El Salvador.


Kilmar Abrego García.

In the context of things I'm willing to get banned for, this sliperry slope is one of them. Nothing more I loathe as a military member than people uttering "if you're **innocent you got nothing to fear" like they got their own situation on point. Jaguar enclosure cleaners if I ever saw any.
(**historically a euphemism for 'you sound, look and hold beliefs like ME')

Bringing up Abrego into a Real ID conversation is a red herring anyways: Due process is not reserved for only citizens, at least not in the Constitution I swore an oath to. IBTL.

@Hindsight thanks for the correction.

Of all the follies of the current Administration, this one bothers me the most. If we don’t have the rule of law and of due process, we (the country) are in for a rough few years!

-Skip

 

[tspear]

some great points! Not long ago I was processing the renewals for passports (mine and my wife's)..the whole thing seemed like a silly waste of resources and expense...on my end and the State Department's end too...to print up a new document and all.
I get it for little kids whose picture will look very different in a few years...or even someone who loses a ton of weight or whatever...but I'm old, look pretty much the same as I did for the last passport...really the last two passports... and since you don't really seeam to get visa stamps anymore, and since I only used it a very few times... the old book is "just like new"
It seems like it could be easier and cheaper just to periodically re-validate the old thing, reconfirm eligibility, reconfirm address, confirm that the new picture looks like the old picture... whatever else needs confirming. Then if the person hasn't had some physical transformation greatly changing their appearance and requiring a new photo then just check a box in the computer that says the old thing is still good for another x number of years..

Security is a major part of it, if not the whole reason. data gets stale and goes bad, so you need a way to update and remove it. When people die, the passports used to be sold on the black market. Swap in a new picture....
By having an explicit expiration date, you capture most changes over time. Age, weight, death... Is it perfect no. But it prevents a passport from becoming a perpetual problem.
In addition, The State Department updates and enhances the security of the passports every few years.

Tim

 

[tspear]

I think it’s weird to ID when you go to a bar, I don’t know why people insist on IDing people who are clearly old enough.

Because of anti-discrimination laws believe it or not. Some people sued because they were asked for ID and others were not.
So the hospitality industry made the choice to ask everyone and not judge based on how someone looks.

The culture of making it weird to drink when you’re under 21 is also just weird.

The USA compared to most other developed countries has much lower accident rates due to alcohol, and alcohol related health issues. And the initial drinking age of 18 was considered a significant part of it. In the 80s and 90s; politicians figured out that many highschoolers know someone who is 18. Therefore they can still get access to alcohol (I saw this when I was in HS). By raising the drinking age to 21; the states have actually significant data to prove that younger kids do not have as much access to alcohol, much lower drunk driving incidents with teenagers, and the initial couple years of eligible drinking has lower incidents from 21-23 compared to 18-20.

Also, why do we need to show an ID with our exact date of birth and address?

So you want a dedicated and single ID just for access to alcohol?

Tim

 

[tspear]

I figure the current FAA push for real ID is based upon the desire of the Federal Government to ultimately standardize the States methods of qualifying voters who come out of the shadows to vote in General elections. Too many States issue drivers' licenses (and other forms of fluffy identifications) to non-citizens, criminals, etc., who are currently able to vote in Federal elections.

In order to begin fixing the problem of non-citizens voting for President and other Federal positions they must first determine who is eligible to receive a ballot. Using the peoples' strong desire to travel via the airlines (worked during the COVID debacle) travelers eagerly supply whatever paper is requested to keep that "privilege" readily available.

Hopefully, the next step following Real-ID is cleaning up election fraud. Easy to implement process improvements (like Federal standardization of paper to be used for in-person ballots, watermarks, traceability, etc.) can then be used per Federal directives.

Let the states conduct their own State elections however they want. But corrupt state elections that determine who become Federal politicians holding power and making decisions that affect people in other states (like me), must be made to be legal, efficient, transparent, and honest. If Real ID is intending as a first step to help make this possible, I'm all for it.

Please provide some actual evidence, not hypothesis on such allegations.
And I should point out, that a number major system to combat voter potential voter fraud have recently been eliminated as part of budget cuts NOT enacted by Congress who controls the purse strings, or by states withdrew from the programs, due to misinformation provided to the public.

Tim

 

[Jim K]

Even from beyond the grave, roller causes strife and dissension.

Locking pending mc review.