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In another thread, I stated that I was 50% Jewish, which brought out some interesting responses. I thought I would start a new thread to talk about identity.

The concept of identity, I think, is more important than that of "race," which is not so much a scientific construct as a social one.

An example that comes to mind is my friend Susan (name changed, because she posts on this board), who is a Korean American. She doesn't speak a word of Korean, nor do her parents. Apart from liking Korean food, she says that she basically identifies as an America (and more so, as a Baltimore girl!). She identifies herself, then, in part by choice, how she was brought up, what is important to her, etc.

The same goes for me. For example, it is true, as Florida rightly pointed out, the tradition is if your Mother is Jewish, then you are Jewish. Of course, one can convert, even if one has no Jewish "blood." That means you see "racially" Jewish people who are religious and non-religious, and non-racially Jewish people who are religious, and who converted.

I have spent half a lifetime of going to Church, going to Temple, Shabbos with my Jewish family, Sunday dinner with my WASP family, having a Jewish first and last name with a Chinese middle name, looking like a rabbi, etc., My identity is my own choice, as is my religion. So, in case anyone has read this far and cares, I identify myself as a non-religious Jewish/New England WASP with a love of my traditions who practices Taoism, plays the cello, and loves to fly!

How about you?
 
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American. All that self identity, self pity, self esteem stuff is detrimental to think about.
 
Especially since you're non-religious, just get over it. As Dennis Miller used to say, "F**k it, who wants pie?" :wink2::)
 
Ben, did you mean to put this thread in Hangar Talk? The other thread is in the SZ and I can see how it might head that way although it's an interesting subject and not necessarily controversial.
 
Like most Americans I am a mongrel. I call myself an Oregonian while in the US, since it is my native state, and proudly call myself American when abroad.
 
I don't really feel any group identity, probably because I've been a little "different" than everyone else since childhood. :dunno:
 
Especially since you're non-religious, just get over it. As Dennis Miller used to say, "F**k it, who wants pie?" :wink2::)

Get over what? I'm happy about who I am.
 
Ben, did you mean to put this thread in Hangar Talk? The other thread is in the SZ and I can see how it might head that way although it's an interesting subject and not necessarily controversial.

Meant to put it here so I could get more than 10 people in on the conversation. :wink2:
 
American. Ancestors came from several countries, a number of generations ago. Doesn't matter, I'm a native American. Born here.
 
The only time I really feel "American" is when I'm parked on the ramp in Canada as the only N-numbered airplane. Of course they (the Canadians) are really "Americans" too. :dunno:
 
Genetic Diversity is a good thing.
 
I was born in the US, my parents were born in the US. Their parents were born in the US, and their parents were born in the US.

I'm American (with appropriate acknowledgement that we are only part of the North American continent).
 
I am 1/4 Dutch, 1/4 Welsh, 1/4 English, and 1/4 German. 3/4 of my ancestors go back less than four generations here in the US. My Grandmother on my Mother's side came here from Holland when she was 16. My Grandmother on my Father's side goes back a long time, but she was a Smith, so that is a hard one to trace back. That is my ethnic identity. Nothing special there. They have the tulip festival in Pella but I've never gone to it. That is about it for me. The Germans, Welsh, and English don't really have a lot of heritage stuff going on around here. I really consider myself a mutt and I don't go to family reunions. I'm Lutheran. Nothing too radical with Lutherans unless you are Missouri Synod.
 
Genetic Diversity is a good thing.
I guess I'm out of luck then. Unlike most people in this country I have a pretty straightforward ethnic identity (all 4 grandparents from Japan). The thing is that I don't really relate to it at all. I only know very basic Japanese phrases and the only time I've ever been to Japan was on a flying trip for work a couple years ago.

I do get a lot of "where are you from" questions and I don't think "New Jersey" is the answer they are looking for.
 
1/2 English, 1/2 Irish, so I guess that makes me that one ethnic background that every other ethnic groups loves to hate.
 
American, Washingtonian transplanted to California, Scot-Irish with a sprinkling of Kaw and Cherokee. In that order.
 
. I really consider myself a mutt and I don't go to family reunions. I'm Lutheran. Nothing too radical with Lutherans unless you are Missouri Synod.
:goofy:
You've got to love the Missouri Synod, right?!

I was raised Lutheran too. Have Prussian and Norwegian blood, probably with a few other things mixed in. Consider myself an American.
 
My dad was born and raised in Ireland, my mom was born and raised in Canada, neither were US citizens when my sister and I were born in Anchorage.:D so, I am an American. :D
 
All 4 of my grandparents were born in Poland, but that doesn't mean I know my ethnic heritage very well. My father's side of the family is a bit of a mystery because his original last name, before he shortened it, is one of the rarest in Poland and doesn't have any meaning in Polish, which is unusual for Polish names. Tracing his family tree was an interest of his and I've tried to carry on the project, but about all I have to show for it is tons of spam coming in now from ancestry.com. My mother's side is pretty simple by comparison.
 
Depends on the context. Usually just American unless the other modifiers are relevant in context.

-Rich
 
Not much into labels. They're barely useful as descriptions but rarely do they matter in the end.
 
Maybe it's because we grew up in very-German Wisconsin, but Mary and I strongly and proudly identify ourselves as German-Americans. (Come to New Braunfels, TX, next month for Wurstfest, to see us do a wicked polka, decked out in traditional Bavarian garb!)

I, of course, ignore my mother's French side, while Mary ignores her mother's Hungarian side. ;)

But this doesn't prevent us from enjoying Danish Kringle, Mexican tamales, or Czech kolaches. Viva la difference! It's what makes America so wonderful!

Sent from my Nexus 7
 
I am half alien, but I don't want to create ripples by letting it be known...
 
I identify myself as a non-religious Jewish/New England WASP with a love of my traditions who practices Taoism, plays the cello, and loves to fly!

How about you?

I am a non-religious Jewish/New England WASP who loves to fly.

So basically you, without the cello or Taoism.
 
I guess I'm out of luck then. Unlike most people in this country I have a pretty straightforward ethnic identity (all 4 grandparents from Japan). The thing is that I don't really relate to it at all. I only know very basic Japanese phrases and the only time I've ever been to Japan was on a flying trip for work a couple years ago.

I do get a lot of "where are you from" questions and I don't think "New Jersey" is the answer they are looking for.

As long as all 4 of your grandparents were not blood relations to each other, I'd say you're still benefiting from Genetic Diversity. :goofy:
 
I think I was found under a cabbage in the back yard victory garden. No idea of the heritage of the cabbage.
 
I am pretty Waspy for sure. On my Mother's side, I am related to Governor John Bradford, of Mayflower fame. On my Father's side, I can trace the ancestry back to about 1600 in England.

However, I am married to a Croatian, and my daughter is married to a man who was born in New York City and raised in Puerto Rico.

How do I describe myself? Usually just by "Skip" and I'll let you figure out who I am.

-Skip
 
Yeah, being a normal, rational, thoughtful, non-assuming person isn't easy. It's easy to understand why you were "different."

I don't really feel any group identity, probably because I've been a little "different" than everyone else since childhood. :dunno:
 
We're all unique little snowflakes... Just like all the other billions of unique little snowflakes. Hah.
 
Not much into labels. They're barely useful as descriptions but rarely do they matter in the end.

That's why I'm asking the question. In the original thread, I was attempting to express my identity, but it didn't fit the "label."
 
Maybe it's because we grew up in very-German Wisconsin, but Mary and I strongly and proudly identify ourselves as German-Americans. (Come to New Braunfels, TX, next month for Wurstfest, to see us do a wicked polka, decked out in traditional Bavarian garb!)

I, of course, ignore my mother's French side, while Mary ignores her mother's Hungarian side. ;)

But this doesn't prevent us from enjoying Danish Kringle, Mexican tamales, or Czech kolaches. Viva la difference! It's what makes America so wonderful!

Sent from my Nexus 7

I like this response!
 
I am a non-religious Jewish/New England WASP who loves to fly.

So basically you, without the cello or Taoism.

Ah, but we're all Taoists, even if we don't realize it!:yinyang:
 
My bloodline is pretty mixed. However, the only thing that really matters is
that I have been "washed clean in the blood of Jesus Christ." Once was "lost", but now I'm found.
 
Ah, but we're all Taoists, even if we don't realize it!:yinyang:

If we are all something, then we are all nothing.

I don't identify you as an oxygenist, because you happen to require oxygen, so why make up a word for something that everyone is?
 
I have no idea what my blood is and have never cared. I don't know anyone beyond my immediate family or any of our history -- nor do I care.

I'm an American living the life an American should live.
 
7/8 German/Austrian

1/8 French

So, about one day a week I have to stay out to the shop...I can't engineer anything. :)
 
7/8 German/Austrian

1/8 French

So, about one day a week I have to stay out to the shop...I can't engineer anything. :)

Do you run away screaming in full retreat 1/8 of the time? ;)

Heh. Stereotypes are fun. As a joke. :)
 
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