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I've sold stuff on Craigslist sans public phone number. Very pleasant experiences actually, I wouldn't hesitate to do it again.
I give my personal cell phone number out to passengers all the time but that seems different than posting it on CL.
Just out of curiosity, what do you use your airplane for. Personal transportation? Charter?
Price it at $95000. Let us know when it sells.
Custom ring-tones make it even easier... the boss gets the Imperial March from The Empire Strikes Back, for example.
I can't fly a watch or a model, I can fly my plane. It was just good fortune that this particular plane came along. I would have put the same panel in any plane I would have bought for the purpose of traveling because I consider it the minimums for safe conduct of flight.I collect watches. They fit in a little case or safe deposit box if made out of gold. A friend collects model aircraft. They fit on a shelf.
There are people who collect aircraft. They are vanishingly few in number, and I imagine are mostly not in the market for a blinged-out 310. The smaller the market, the greater your waiting time. I suspect the wait for the collector who will want your 310 is greater than your life span. The wait for a pilot who might is somewhat less.
The other thing that operates against you is in a decade all those avionics could be pretty old hat compared to the new stuff.
My entire cost of maint and repair in 1 year / 100 hours operations was <$1000.
There's some real numbers by a conservative operator.
and the little dog laughed to see such sport . . .
Nice scorecard for the sport. Honestly I have some seals to replace due to long storage time in a desert hangar, but it's still going fine and can be resolved for <$4k.
$1,000 for 100 hours of flying in a 310 doesn't include the avionics upgrades, nor does it cover the engine reserves for that time period. It definitely doesn't cover reserves for paint or interior.
As you know, planes tend to have big expenses at particular times in their lives. Your plane has beautiful paint, a nice interior, low-time engines. You dumped a bunch of money into the panel. In another 10 years, maybe sooner, you will probably need to do again to keep up with the "minimum safe." At probably about the same time period, you'll need to dump a bunch of money into the new engines, too. If you want to make it even better and do the Colemill Executive II upgrade for a pair of 550s (which, by the way, is a very nice upgrade), then you're looking at about $130k instead of about $70k.
Of course, you know all this. This is more for edification of others who may not.
$1,000 for 100 hours of flying in a 310 doesn't include the avionics upgrades, nor does it cover the engine reserves for that time period. It definitely doesn't cover reserves for paint or interior.
As you know, planes tend to have big expenses at particular times in their lives. Your plane has beautiful paint, a nice interior, low-time engines. You dumped a bunch of money into the panel. In another 10 years, maybe sooner, you will probably need to do again to keep up with the "minimum safe." At probably about the same time period, you'll need to dump a bunch of money into the new engines, too. If you want to make it even better and do the Colemill Executive II upgrade for a pair of 550s (which, by the way, is a very nice upgrade), then you're looking at about $130k instead of about $70k.
Of course, you know all this. This is more for edification of others who may not.
That ain't edifying at all.
I can't fly a watch or a model, I can fly my plane. It was just good fortune that this particular plane came along. I would have put the same panel in any plane I would have bought for the purpose of traveling because I consider it the minimums for safe conduct of flight.
You can't tell time with an airplane,
I just looked at a 2005 Baron B58 with about 800 TT. For all of the last 5 years, the annuals alone were $10K or more. I just can't imagine flying any twin for $1,000 a year in maintenance. One oil change is going to be $600.
What am I missing?
Yes I can. All the planes I fly have clocks in them, plus the GPS knows what time it is if the clock stops working.
If an owner is lucky beyond measure, $10k/yr might pay for some years. For others, it could easily be 2x. I flew a 421C for ~2 years for chicken feed, but didn't ever kid myself into thinking it would last. I then sold it and moved to Dallas where I had ownership and access to other planes. Unfortunately, one of them was an almost-new Aerostar that ate our lunch many times over. ANFL when twins are part of the equation. Big singles can be pricey as well.
Can't just look at it and know what time it is, unlike my watches. Moreover, you can't put it in your pocket and know what time it at the office.
Henning keeps referring to his 310 as a "collectible". I've been trying to point out that collectible things are often smallish and usually maintenance free. There are airplane collectors to be certain, but not many, and I doubt any would be interested in Henning's 310. Lots of pilots might, but I doubt they'll shell out that much for a 310 when others can be had for far less.
I didn't exactly see you jumping at it, for example.
$1,000 for 100 hours of flying in a 310 doesn't include the avionics upgrades, nor does it cover the engine reserves for that time period. It definitely doesn't cover reserves for paint or interior.
As you know, planes tend to have big expenses at particular times in their lives. Your plane has beautiful paint, a nice interior, low-time engines. You dumped a bunch of money into the panel. In another 10 years, maybe sooner, you will probably need to do again to keep up with the "minimum safe." At probably about the same time period, you'll need to dump a bunch of money into the new engines, too. If you want to make it even better and do the Colemill Executive II upgrade for a pair of 550s (which, by the way, is a very nice upgrade), then you're looking at about $130k instead of about $70k.
Of course, you know all this. This is more for edification of others who may not.
You have a very large range of discretion in operational and ownership costs that you can affect with your quadrant hand.
Luckily my annual 'ante' of ownership is no where near $10k, though I openly admit that I have an uncommon situation when it comes to being able to keep an airplane, one of the reasons I decided to go ahead and buy.I'm not a collector of airplanes, though, so I wouldn't apply. I use them as tools. As such, I buy the tool that fits my needs, use it until it doesn't fit my needs, and then get rid of it accordingly. Henning's 310 doesn't fit my needs, so I wouldn't buy it.
Things that are collectible to you are perhaps smallish and usually maintenance-free. I once knew people who, in their "small garage" had 20 cars. Among the collection included 14 Ferraris, 2 Mercedes 300 SL gullwings, some BMW racecar from the 80s, and a Shelby Cobra previously belonging to Steve McQueen.
Obviously, their budget was different than yours or mine. They had something on the order of 20 or 30 more, with a staff to keep the cars running. For what those cars were worth combined just in that garage, I could happily live the rest of my life.
Correct, however, my reserves on my 2 IO 470s is not different from any 180 kt 210's single turbocharged 520, and they will go through a set of cylinders or two between overhauls where I will not. My propensity to operate my new engines at 50-60% power way LOP will also make me more likely to go beyond TBO than those 210s cruising 180kts. You have a very large range of discretion in operational and ownership costs that you can affect with your quadrant hand.
Luckily my annual 'ante' of ownership is no where near $10k, though I openly admit that I have an uncommon situation when it comes to being able to keep an airplane, one of the reasons I decided to go ahead and buy.
...which are not cheap.The two major expense upgrades the future will bring if I maintain ownership is Kelly hot pad deice and a pair of Diesels.
...which are not cheap.
Nobody who thinks anything about flying can be done on the cheap should hold a medical for psychiatric reasons. For as little as it can be done for, it's never something I'd consider cheap.
Aviation Classics at Stead. They also took out 3 generations of boxes and bits as well as wiring. My plane lost over 200 pounds in the 2 months after I bought her:wink2:. They also did a first rate job on the panel. The Nulites just make its a real plane, and they're so cheap you can redo any panel for a few hours worth of flying cost, worth every dime if you fly at night.Who did the panel mod and the avionics install?
Thanks guys! You have all just confirmed the direction I am heading. I love the 210 idea, but doubt it will be around when I am ready to pull the trigger. This will be probably 2-3times a week flight, with a once a month 350nm trip tossed in. Looks will matter b/c it is a real estate venture and I have to look the part of the land baron that I am trying to become.