Anyone drive a Ford pickup with a 2.7 V-6?

Timbeck2 said:
And by the way, its been 10 years since I looked at the new technology in vehicles. I was actually impressed with the things they have thought up that are useful. For example: in this truck I drove, it has the normal windshield washing cycle where fluid is sprayed along with three wipes of the wipers THEN after 4 seconds they wipe again to get that little stream that always comes down from the top.
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Heh. Karen's 2008 Lincoln LT (essentially a Ford Platinum) does that, and I'm always impressed some engineer was finally annoyed enough by having to run the wipers again every time you spray that they actually got the company to let them do something about it. Seems like such an obvious feature... once you've seen it.
 
I heard that Mercedes or another high end vehicle will move the wipers just enough to flip the rubber on the other side from time to time to minimize dry rot or sun damage.
 
Timbeck2 said:
I test drove a crew cab Lariat with all the bells and whistles and the 2.7 eco boost yesterday. I've decided on which truck I want now.

All I can say is for such a little engine it has more than enough horsepower. I was on the interstate at 50 mph, punched the gas and the wheels chirped. Now I'm just in the haggle crap with the dealer. John, I wish you were closer. I'll pm you the price if you can tell me if I'm getting ripped off or not.
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I'll be glad to help, send the VIN if you've got it along with your zip code.
 
Timbeck2 said:
And by the way, its been 10 years since I looked at the new technology in vehicles. I was actually impressed with the things they have thought up that are useful. For example: in this truck I drove, it has the normal windshield washing cycle where fluid is sprayed along with three wipes of the wipers THEN after 4 seconds they wipe again to get that little stream that always comes down from the top.
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Lol, well I think they started that in '04 at least in the F-150. My '08 does it, and it is a nice feature. The newer Ford vehicles can turn the function on/off in the driver information display, it's referred to as a "courtesy wipe" I believe. I'm almost always impressed at the level of refinement that trucks seem to go through each generation. Don't get me wrong, I love the solid structure of the twin I-beam 70's trucks, but the '97 F-150 brought more car-like handling to market segment as well as a 3rd/4th door for Supercabs, then the mid-00's made 4-door crew cabs the norm instead of a rare option. The later 2000's brought the luxury car items like HID lights/heated seats/sound systems/smooth suspensions/rear view cameras/reverse sensors. The latest generation of trucks have brought fuel economy up with greater use of lightweight materials and better use of wasted space (bed-side toolboxes are coming back again with started with Nissan and now Ram). I know a lot of guys want a truck to "be a truck", but it sure is nice having all of the creature comforts.
 
Timbeck2 said:
I heard that Mercedes or another high end vehicle will move the wipers just enough to flip the rubber on the other side from time to time to minimize dry rot or sun damage.
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Mustangs/Vettes/Camaros all roll the windows just slightly when a door is opened, then roll back up when it is closed in order to ensure a good moisture/noise seal. It's a nice touch. The luxury car makers are having a tougher time claiming "luxury features" over the domestic stuff anymore since so many cars are loaded from the big 3 auto makers and Japanese stuff. They have to hang their hat on the fit-n-finish stuff more often these days.
 
Yeah, I think that it is called tax, title and "fees" instead of license now. I'm pretty sure that my mom and dad bought their house for less than I'm quoted on this truck. I guess I shouldn't wait every 10 years to buy one.
 
Zeldman said:
And there is the problem. The people that will have problem with this engine, or pretty much any engine only understand, key goes here, fuel goes here, drive heck out of it and nothing else.
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I was giving a group of younger folks a lift a while back, and they all commented on how nice my 16yr old truck looked and how smooth and quiet it still drove. I told them just follow the book, do what it says when it says, and your vehicle will run well for a long time. They all replied (gals and guys alike) that they just drive the car until the light comes on, then they take it in had have whatever broke fixed. None of them said they did any routine MX. Oh well, their money.
 
SoonerAviator said:
The luxury car makers are having a tougher time claiming "luxury features" over the domestic stuff anymore since so many cars are loaded from the big 3 auto makers and Japanese stuff. They have to hang their hat on the fit-n-finish stuff more often these days.
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When our '06 Mercedes E class died last winter, we shopped many cars from all lands, and came away impressed with the Ford Fusion. It was as quiet and smooth as the Benz, had every doodad and more, and is very reasonably priced. We bought an SE with 2.0 ecoboost, luxury package, leather, moonroof, touch screen, it's very nice. 12,000mi later that car is still very nice, I don't miss the Benz at all. It's getting very hard to justify 2x the money just to have a star or double kidney on the grill when mass market cars are now so good.
 
DO NOT BUY A DODGE ECODIESEL.

I bought a '14 3.0L ecodiesel... great truck for the mileage. 24-26 mpg at 80.

But at 49k, the catalytic converter took a shiat. 3 weeks at the dealer with no loaner.

At 75k, it drank 1.5gal of coolant one afternoon. A quick googling along with an independent mechanic confirmed my beliefs...the bottom end had started to come from together, thus taking out the EGR cooler.

Common problem in the EcoD...seen it happen with as little as 15k.

I now drive a '16 F-150 Lariat with the 5.0

They tried to sell me on the EcoBoost....insane torque and performance, but everyone I know gets about 15mpg.

I get 19-20 on the freeway. 16-17 around town.

This is my second 5.0...my 11 was a great truck as well.

Hell, my last 5.4 F250 (2006) made it 238k before it took a dump. Never did anything other than standard PM, brakes and tires.

I'm ford for life.

If you're an EAA member, take advantage of the X-Plan pricing.... no negotiating and a solid deal.


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Bill Jennings said:
I was giving a group of younger folks a lift a while back, and they all commented on how nice my 16yr old truck looked and how smooth and quiet it still drove. I told them just follow the book, do what it says when it says, and your vehicle will run well for a long time. They all replied (gals and guys alike) that they just drive the car until the light comes on, then they take it in had have whatever broke fixed. None of them said they did any routine MX. Oh well, their money.
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And they are usually the ones raising cane in the service department about why something broke after only XX miles or years and demanding someone else pay for it, either Ford or me!
 
Tampico Trauma said:
I now drive a '16 F-150 Lariat with the 5.0
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That is the best engine IMHO in the Ford half tons. Total sleeper engine because Ford pushes the EcoBoost six cylinders, but that 5.0 was the "fleet" engine for Ford for a very long time. They just run and run and run and you pay nearly no attention to them at all, and they'll tow pretty good too, at least as well as any half ton needs for towing. A friend is a bit over the truck's rated numbers towing a 10,500 lb "lightweight" fifth wheel (fully loaded with water in the tank) with that engine and he passes people in the mountains regularly with that rig. Except me with the Cummins or any other diesel.
 
I'll throw in a curveball. Toyota Tacoma?
I'm looking at trucks at the moment, and either I don't get something, or they are seriously good value for a lease deal.
" $254.00 per month for 36 months. $2,653 due at signing includes $2,399 down payment and first month's payment. No security deposit required"
Lease-end purchase 21860, lease payments total at 9144.
The cheapest F150 lease deal I can find is 329/month for 36 months, 4609 due at signing, and only available for existing F150 customers.

Is the F150 a much better truck than a Tacoma?
 
mtuomi said:
I'll throw in a curveball. Toyota Tacoma?
I'm looking at trucks at the moment, and either I don't get something, or they are seriously good value for a lease deal.
" $254.00 per month for 36 months. $2,653 due at signing includes $2,399 down payment and first month's payment. No security deposit required"
Lease-end purchase 21860, lease payments total at 9144.
The cheapest F150 lease deal I can find is 329/month for 36 months, 4609 due at signing, and only available for existing F150 customers.

Is the F150 a much better truck than a Tacoma?
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I'm 32 and I've purchased eight vehicles in the past ten years between my wife and I and I could never make a lease work with my kind of mileage...

Over the years I owned:
06 F-250 Crew Cab 5.4 Gas - 238k mi
06 F-150 Lariat (wife's first new vehicle)
11 F-150 Extended Cab 5.0 4x4
13 GMC 1500 SLT Crew Cab Short Bed 4x4 (worst purchase ever)
14 Mini Cooper...when the Mrs Hated the GMC so much she started driving the old farm truck.
14 Ram 3.0 ECODIESEL (see earlier post)
And now...finally my '16 F-150

Why Ford over the Taco? Well, I'm 6'6. The Tacoma is smaller than the new Colorado.

But why the Ford?

The 16 was a stretch for me because of the aluminum body, but it was a no-brainer after everything I factored in....reliability, performance, and most importantly these days...the Avionics stack. Why settle for a KX-155 (which is exactly what my 13 GMC felt like) when you can have the G-1000.....

The Sync3 is amazing. Picks up the Bluetooth instantly...the interface with Spotify works great, the touch screen is great, the dash screen is awesome. Everything is graphical and intuitive.

The nav is amazing as well.

The black leather with ass heaters and coolers and the dual panoramic sunroof are quite possibly the best two inventions I've ever had.

Mind you, this is the first vehicle of my own (not Mrs) that has had leather seats.... I never treat myself...but hey.... she got a Maule and I got a truck...

I think JB could chime in better than I, as he is a dealer.

But, I just got a flyer from ford for a lease on a 2WD 2.7 EB SuperCrew XLT for $259/mo. 24mo/24k 4500 due at signing...

Now the 17 F-250 does it for me....but at 70+ for a lariat, I'm going to have to hold out for a few years.


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mtuomi said:
Is the F150 a much better truck than a Tacoma?
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It's bigger and tows a lot more.



I just bought a little Nissan Frontier a couple of months ago. Base trim, stick shift, cloth seats, no navigation and a real key (like, made from metal).
 
I drive 6-7k per year and don't tow. I only need a crew cab, anything else is a plus. And my wife said the smaller the better. (she wears the pants in our household...)
 
mtuomi said:
I drive 6-7k per year and don't tow. I only need a crew cab, anything else is a plus. And my wife said the smaller the better. (she wears the pants in our household...)
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There's always the Honda Ridgeline.

::ducks::


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The first time I saw the new ridgeline from behind...I was like hey....not hideously ugly like the first generation...then I saw the front half....

What the eff were they thinking


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mtuomi said:
I drive 6-7k per year and don't tow. I only need a crew cab, anything else is a plus. And my wife said the smaller the better. (she wears the pants in our household...)
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One reason I got a compact pickup is because I frequently need to fit it into underground parking decks. Now the 'crew cab' in the Frontier only works for a very short crew ;-)

If you dont need to tow, the 'midsize' trucks like the Colorado, Tacoma or Frontier could be an option.
 
I'll do some research on a Tacoma and Frontier. Not a fan of the Colorado (I've driven too many rental Chevys. They are cheap and nasty).
F150 would still rock, I'll see if John can cut me a good lease deal on one :)
 
mtuomi said:
I'll throw in a curveball. Toyota Tacoma?
I'm looking at trucks at the moment, and either I don't get something, or they are seriously good value for a lease deal.
" $254.00 per month for 36 months. $2,653 due at signing includes $2,399 down payment and first month's payment. No security deposit required"
Lease-end purchase 21860, lease payments total at 9144.
The cheapest F150 lease deal I can find is 329/month for 36 months, 4609 due at signing, and only available for existing F150 customers.

Is the F150 a much better truck than a Tacoma?
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That's probably for the Taco 2WD version?

The base model crew cab MSRP is $25,890 and you'd pay $33,403 for the privilege of leasing it with the above numbers! And that's MSRP! Granted sometimes Tacos go for MSRP or even a little higher on popular models SOMETIMES but wow.

You forgetting to tell us something about this Taco? 4WD? TRD upgrades? Built in bidet? LOL.

The 4WD crew max runs about $38K the 5.7L engine adds a thousand bucks to that. MSRP anyway.

Something is wrong with those numbers too. I can't imagine Toyota is knocking $5K off of their MSRP in a lease, but let us know... check those terms carefully. I bet they're screwing with you and that's a bad lease deal because it's actually the 2WD model.

By the way that's base SR5 model numbers on the Tacoma too, not too end... it's a $60,000 truck loaded, MSRP.

mtuomi said:
I drive 6-7k per year and don't tow. I only need a crew cab, anything else is a plus. And my wife said the smaller the better. (she wears the pants in our household...)
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I wouldn't consider a Taco crew cab a real crew cab. You can't stuff real humans back there comfortably for any length of time.

BTW, I don't know what kind of credit rating you've got, but just for fun I ran the numbers on the MSRP and at 6% for 48 months, directly owning the Taco for $25,890 -- that's a monthly of $147.21.

Something is way whacked with these numbers. What didn't you tell us 'bout the Taco and the F-150?

Tampico Trauma said:
There's always the Honda Ridgeline.

::ducks::
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Fugly. Really really fugly. :)

But honestly if you wanted a daily driver that barely does "truck" stuff, call it "city truck user" stuff maybe... haha... they're going to probably last forever if you're the "buy and hold" type.

Something's whacked with those Taco numbers though.
 
denverpilot said:
That's probably for the Taco 2WD version?

The base model crew cab MSRP is $25,890 and you'd pay $33,403 for the privilege of leasing it with the above numbers! And that's MSRP! Granted sometimes Tacos go for MSRP or even a little higher on popular models SOMETIMES but wow.

Something is wrong with those numbers too. I can't imagine Toyota is knocking $5K off of their MSRP in a lease, but let us know... check those terms carefully. I bet they're screwing with you and that's a bad lease deal because it's actually the 2WD model.

By the way that's base SR5 model numbers on the Tacoma too, not too end... it's a $60,000 truck loaded, MSRP.

I wouldn't consider a Taco crew cab a real crew cab. You can't stuff real humans back there comfortably for any length of time.

BTW, I don't know what kind of credit rating you've got, but just for fun I ran the numbers on the MSRP and at 6% for 48 months, directly owning the Taco for $25,890 -- that's a monthly of $147.21.

Something is way whacked with these numbers. What didn't you tell us 'bout the Taco and the F-150?

Something's whacked with those Taco numbers though.
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It is the 2WD version (so is the Ford). I have no need for 4WD. Those numbers are simply the ones I found by googling "Toyota Tacoma lease" vs. "Ford F150 lease", I haven't done any real research yet into this.
I do like the F150 more, but I'm not sure if it's more truck than I really need (Heck I don't really need a truck, I just want one).
 
mtuomi said:
I'll throw in a curveball. Toyota Tacoma?
I'm looking at trucks at the moment, and either I don't get something, or they are seriously good value for a lease deal.
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The 1st payment on my '01 was a whopper, but after that, it's been nearly free driving for the past 16 years. (I've thus far incurred ~$1500 in unexpected repairs, less than $100/yr!)

mtuomi said:
And my wife said the smaller the better. (she wears the pants in our household...)
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There's gotta be a joke in there somewhere......:D
 
The Tacoma is a great truck if you only need a truck for light duty towing or small payload. The F-150 is a "full-size" truck, and has a significantly higher towing and hauling capacity as well as interior space. It's not really worth pitting one against the other simply because they compete in slightly different markets. The Taco will run forever, and I was always fond of the V6 SR5 models.

Honda Ridgeline . . . lol.
 
mtuomi said:
I'm looking at trucks at the moment, and either I don't get something, or they are seriously good value for a lease deal.
" $254.00 per month for 36 months. $2,653 due at signing includes $2,399 down payment and first month's payment. No security deposit required"
Lease-end purchase 21860, lease payments total at 9144.
The cheapest F150 lease deal I can find is 329/month for 36 months, 4609 due at signing, and only available for existing F150 customers.
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Got to watch the fine print on leases. The mileage charges can get you in a hurry. Had a sister-in-law lease a Cherokee a bunch of years ago. 13 months into a 48 month lease, they were within 2K miles of overrunning the lease limit. 25 cents a mile over the limit, plus whatever other damage deducts when they would turn it in. They ended up putting it up on blocks, pulling the wheels, fuel and batteries and covering it until 1 month before the lease was up. The "great" lease deal they thought they were getting, ended up causing them to pay insurance for almost 3 years as well as tags on a car they could not drive.

Leasing is a no go for me, as I blow past the mileage limits for the year, in about 10 weeks of normal driving. Buying new is also out due to the total cost. I just bought a 2007 F-350 Lariat,Crew Cab, long bed, dually, 4x4, 6.0, for about what they wanted for a down payment on a new truck.
 
denverpilot said:
That is the best engine IMHO in the Ford half tons. Total sleeper engine because Ford pushes the EcoBoost six cylinders, but that 5.0 was the "fleet" engine for Ford for a very long time. They just run and run and run and you pay nearly no attention to them at all, and they'll tow pretty good too, at least as well as any half ton needs for towing. A friend is a bit over the truck's rated numbers towing a 10,500 lb "lightweight" fifth wheel (fully loaded with water in the tank) with that engine and he passes people in the mountains regularly with that rig. Except me with the Cummins or any other diesel.
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The 5.0 is a nice motor, but the EcoBoost out tows it all day. My best friend has a 2014 5.0 and I have the 2014 3.5L EcoBoost. We both agree the EcoBoost wins with towing. But quite frankly I think both motors are great. Nothing wrong with either!

*We used to frequently tow toy haulers and trailers for RZRs
 
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Hey!! My dad has a Honda Ridgeline!! Hehe..but I agree I would never buy one...always thought it was an ugly truck. It does have a lot of utility though with the trunk under the bed.
 
no no no to the Honda Ridgeline. I want my old '71 Ranchero back ... 460 V8 4bbl Holley carb ... :)
 
denverpilot said:
That is the best engine IMHO in the Ford half tons. Total sleeper engine because Ford pushes the EcoBoost six cylinders, but that 5.0 was the "fleet" engine for Ford for a very long time. They just run and run and run and you pay nearly no attention to them at all, and they'll tow pretty good too, at least as well as any half ton needs for towing. A friend is a bit over the truck's rated numbers towing a 10,500 lb "lightweight" fifth wheel (fully loaded with water in the tank) with that engine and he passes people in the mountains regularly with that rig. Except me with the Cummins or any other diesel.
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Ford has made some good motors. The 5.0L is pretty solid, and so is the 4.6L they put in the Crown Vics and Town Cars. The 4.0L V6 in my 'sploder has been pretty solid as well, and it's pushing 200K. The newer Ford front wheel drive trains seem to be okay so far, but their older ones (pre 2000) were pure shyte and had a tendency to come from together.
 
CC268 said:
The 5.0 is a nice motor, but the EcoBoost out tows it all day. My best friend has a 2014 5.0 and I have the 2014 3.5L EcoBoost. We both agree the EcoBoost wins with towing. But quite frankly I think both motors are great. Nothing wrong with either!

*We used to frequently tow toy haulers and trailers for RZRs
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Throw a cheap Roush blower on the 5.0L and walk away from the 3.5EB like it was standing still, lol. It would probably cost just a bit more more than the price difference between the 5.0L and the "premium" 3.5L EB v6 anyway.
 
SoonerAviator said:
Throw a cheap Roush blower on the 5.0L and walk away from the 3.5EB like it was standing still, lol. It would probably cost just a bit more more than the price difference between the 5.0L and the "premium" 3.5L EB v6 anyway.
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But then you will have a proper engine sound instead of Ford Ranger sound.
 
SoonerAviator said:
Throw a cheap Roush blower on the 5.0L and walk away from the 3.5EB like it was standing still, lol. It would probably cost just a bit more more than the price difference between the 5.0L and the "premium" 3.5L EB v6 anyway.
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Hmm I guess so? Everyone has a difference of opinion I guess...can't please everyone...although Ford seems to be doing just fine with their Ecoboost motors :)
 
Tampico Trauma said:
I'm 32 and I've purchased eight vehicles in the past ten years between my wife and I and I could never make a lease work with my kind of mileage...



The 16 was a stretch for me because of the aluminum body, but it was a no-brainer after everything I factored in....reliability, performance, and most importantly these days...the Avionics stack. Why settle for a KX-155 (which is exactly what my 13 GMC felt like) when you can have the G-1000.....

The Sync3 is amazing. Picks up the Bluetooth instantly...the interface with Spotify works great, the touch screen is great, the dash screen is awesome. Everything is graphical and intuitive.

The nav is amazing as well.

The black leather with ass heaters and coolers and the dual panoramic sunroof are quite possibly the best two inventions I've ever had.

Mind you, this is the first vehicle of my own (not Mrs) that has had leather seats.... I never treat myself...but hey.... she got a Maule and I got a truck...

I think JB could chime in better than I, as he is a dealer.

But, I just got a flyer from ford for a lease on a 2WD 2.7 EB SuperCrew XLT for $259/mo. 24mo/24k 4500 due at signing...

Now the 17 F-250 does it for me....but at 70+ for a lariat, I'm going to have to hold out for a few years.


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As I said before, todays 1/2 ton trucks, as well as all the others are just one powder puff away from being a ladies dressing room....:blowingkisses: :lol::lol::lol:

I miss my old '71 IH....:yes:
 
Zeldman said:
As I said before, todays 1/2 ton trucks, as well as all the others are just one powder puff away from being a ladies dressing room....:blowingkisses: :lol::lol::lol:

I miss my old '71 IH....:yes:
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'56 S-120... used the same oil filters as our Farmall 560 Tractor. Best truck ever


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Bill Jennings said:
When our '06 Mercedes E class died last winter, we shopped many cars from all lands, and came away impressed with the Ford Fusion. It was as quiet and smooth as the Benz, had every doodad and more, and is very reasonably priced. We bought an SE with 2.0 ecoboost, luxury package, leather, moonroof, touch screen, it's very nice. 12,000mi later that car is still very nice, I don't miss the Benz at all. It's getting very hard to justify 2x the money just to have a star or double kidney on the grill when mass market cars are now so good.
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your 06 MBZ died? seems like a rather late, and high end model car to be crapping out
 
mtuomi said:
I'll have to reclarify my Scooby hate. It is entirely pointed at the STI models. I actually like Legacys.
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Not sure why, better engine, high end brakes and suspension, where they get issues is when rich children buy them, lower them, try to launch them on dry pavement like a car built for onroad performance, don't follow the OEM mx schedule or use OEM parts like the thermostat, and really just don't get what the STI was built for.

Before I got my truck I was debating a STI or a Bratt with a EJ2.2 swap, only mods Id be making on a STI would be full aluminum skid plates (engine compartment, tranny, rear diff) and maybe upping the undercoat a little, but up here, accelerating, braking, cornering, you wont find any trucks that will hang with a subie in our snow and ice, especially if you toss some hakkapeliittas on.
 
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